Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
10-27-2003, 10:31 PM
#21
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
In article <9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.com >,
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:
>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.
<snippage>
Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:
>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.
<snippage>
Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-27-2003, 10:31 PM
#22
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
In article <9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.com >,
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:
>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.
<snippage>
Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:
>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.
<snippage>
Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-27-2003, 11:20 PM
#23
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
10-27-2003, 11:20 PM
#24
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
10-27-2003, 11:20 PM
#25
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).
Bruce
"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>
10-27-2003, 11:22 PM
#26
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
10-27-2003, 11:22 PM
#27
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
10-27-2003, 11:22 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.
10-27-2003, 11:43 PM
#29
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Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
10-27-2003, 11:43 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
