Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248



<B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
Rated'</B>


By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News

The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
vehicles.

"We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
a press event in Austin, Texas.

The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
an SUV is expanding.

The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.

Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.


---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>
>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>Rated'

Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

"Jeep advertising will tout five areas of off-road vehicle performance tested
by an independent third party and designated Trail Rated. The areas of
performance are: traction, articulation (climbing), ground clearance,
maneuverability and water fording."

Articulation is defined as climbing ability? Pshaw.
The Trail Rating thing means nothing to people who don't care, and it will mean
nothing especially if they put the badge on the Liberty. Notice the first two
words of the passage.

* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>
>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>Rated'

Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

"Jeep advertising will tout five areas of off-road vehicle performance tested
by an independent third party and designated Trail Rated. The areas of
performance are: traction, articulation (climbing), ground clearance,
maneuverability and water fording."

Articulation is defined as climbing ability? Pshaw.
The Trail Rating thing means nothing to people who don't care, and it will mean
nothing especially if they put the badge on the Liberty. Notice the first two
words of the passage.

* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>
>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>Rated'

Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

"Jeep advertising will tout five areas of off-road vehicle performance tested
by an independent third party and designated Trail Rated. The areas of
performance are: traction, articulation (climbing), ground clearance,
maneuverability and water fording."

Articulation is defined as climbing ability? Pshaw.
The Trail Rating thing means nothing to people who don't care, and it will mean
nothing especially if they put the badge on the Liberty. Notice the first two
words of the passage.

* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I think I'm gonna be sick!!!

Greg

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I think I'm gonna be sick!!!

Greg

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I think I'm gonna be sick!!!

Greg

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Yeah, I have an XJ and I don't know what I will get after it is done. I
only have 130K miles on it, but at some point I may need another car. I
guess I will have to find a D-90 or something. The only problem with those
is they are all automatics in the US.

Oh well.
Curt

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Yeah, I have an XJ and I don't know what I will get after it is done. I
only have 130K miles on it, but at some point I may need another car. I
guess I will have to find a D-90 or something. The only problem with those
is they are all automatics in the US.

Oh well.
Curt

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Yeah, I have an XJ and I don't know what I will get after it is done. I
only have 130K miles on it, but at some point I may need another car. I
guess I will have to find a D-90 or something. The only problem with those
is they are all automatics in the US.

Oh well.
Curt

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.c om...
> I have cut and pasted some of the key passages. Didn't reproduce the
> whole thing due to lack of copyright. For the full article, link to:
>
>
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=06685248
>
>
>
> <B>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> Rated'</B>
>
>
> By MARY CONNELLY and RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
>
> The Chrysler group plans to expand the Jeep line with SUVs that move
> away from Jeep's historic roots and won't be serious off-road
> vehicles.
>
> "We have to extend our lineup" and offer Jeeps that will be used "99
> percent of the time on-road," COO Wolfgang Bernhard said last week at
> a press event in Austin, Texas.
>
> The decision comes as the Chrysler group is spending heavily to
> position Jeep as the "real 4x4" in a world in which the definition of
> an SUV is expanding.
>
> The Chrysler group needs to re-energize Jeep because the brand has
> slipped badly in recent years. Jeep held 19.0 percent of the U.S. SUV
> market in 1999 but only 11.2 percent in 2002.
>
> Jeep sales peaked at 554,466 units in 1999, the year after
> Daimler-Benz's acquisition of Chrysler Corp. Sales fell to 459,796
> last year and are down 6.4 percent so far this year.
>
>
> ---> P.S. - I saw another related "new product" article which says
> Subaru is coming out with a model called the "BC9 Scrambler" in 2004.
> I dunno how trademark law works exactly, but I bet this will prevent
> the new TJ8 from being called a Scrambler.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >Rated'
>
> Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
> they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
profitable in order to stay in business.

I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.

I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
"rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.

I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.

For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
vehicle.

Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.

I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
old and sore to drive the Rubicons.

Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >Rated'
>
> Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
> they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
profitable in order to stay in business.

I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.

I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
"rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.

I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.

For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
vehicle.

Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.

I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
old and sore to drive the Rubicons.

Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >Rated'
>
> Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
> they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
------------<SNIPPED>---------------

Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
profitable in order to stay in business.

I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.

I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
"rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.

I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.

For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
vehicle.

Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.

I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
old and sore to drive the Rubicons.

Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Bill, meet Bill... LOL

--
Jim

"Bill Tolle" <BillTolle@SpamCop.net> wrote in message
news:9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.c om...
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> > >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> > >Rated'
> >
> > Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> > they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
>
> Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
> profitable in order to stay in business.
>
> I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
> of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
> I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
> the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
> acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
> in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.
>
> I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
> Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
> a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
> are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
> "rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.
>
> I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
> many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
> arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
> give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.
>
> For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
> could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
> the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
> vehicle.
>
> Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.
>
> I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
> many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
> Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
> old and sore to drive the Rubicons.
>
> Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Bill, meet Bill... LOL

--
Jim

"Bill Tolle" <BillTolle@SpamCop.net> wrote in message
news:9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.c om...
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> > >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> > >Rated'
> >
> > Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> > they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
>
> Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
> profitable in order to stay in business.
>
> I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
> of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
> I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
> the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
> acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
> in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.
>
> I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
> Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
> a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
> are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
> "rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.
>
> I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
> many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
> arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
> give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.
>
> For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
> could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
> the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
> vehicle.
>
> Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.
>
> I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
> many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
> Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
> old and sore to drive the Rubicons.
>
> Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Bill, meet Bill... LOL

--
Jim

"Bill Tolle" <BillTolle@SpamCop.net> wrote in message
news:9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.c om...
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
> > >Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> > >Rated'
> >
> > Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> > they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
> ------------<SNIPPED>---------------
>
> Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
> profitable in order to stay in business.
>
> I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep. None
> of the real Jeeps I rode in while in the Army had air conditioning but
> I noticed that a Rubicon I looked at did have A/C so does that mean
> the Rubicon is not a "real" Jeep? I don't think so, it just
> acknowledges the reality of the marketplace and there is not much room
> in the market for any vehicle that does not offer A/C.
>
> I am the proud owner of a 2004 Liberty Sport and am very happy that
> Jeep decided to build a vehicle that fits my needs. I agree it is not
> a "rock crawler", but I don't want a "rock crawler". Those of you who
> are still young wait until you get to be 58 and have a bad back, those
> "rock crawlers" will be a lot less appealing to you then.
>
> I enjoy seeing the really tough Jeeps when we go to Moab. We drive
> many of the less demanding trails (did I mention that my wife has
> arthritis in her neck and can't stand the beating a "real" Jeep would
> give her) and thoroughly enjoy ourselves.
>
> For the past few years I drove a Nissan 4 X 4 King Cab pickup so we
> could go off road. When we decided to get something new we looked at
> the X-Terra first and it just didn't seem to be a very impressive
> vehicle.
>
> Then we looked at the Liberty and knew it was exactly what we wanted.
>
> I hope Jeep continues to build the Rubicon and it's successors for
> many years to come but I hope they also continue the Liberty and Grand
> Cherokee. You young folk will need them someday when you too get too
> old and sore to drive the Rubicons.
>
> Bill Tolle "I used to make fun of old folks but now I are one :-)"

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) wrote:

>>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
>>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>>>Rated'
>>
>>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
>>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) wrote:

>>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
>>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>>>Rated'
>>
>>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
>>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) wrote:

>>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
>>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
>>>Rated'
>>
>>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are saying
>>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.

Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.com >,
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:

>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.

<snippage>

Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.com >,
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:

>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.

<snippage>

Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

In article <9b77986d.0310271732.35875d67@posting.google.com >,
BillTolle@SpamCop.net (Bill Tolle) writes:

>Profitability always has to enter into any business and DC has to stay
>profitable in order to stay in business.
>
>I see a lot of remarks about the Liberty not being a "real" Jeep.

<snippage>

Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
Cherokee.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).

Bruce

"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).

Bruce

"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

As the owner of a KJ, I'll be the first one to admit that a "Libby" will not
go everywhere a Wrangler will. However, since I can only afford one
vehicle, and most of my "off road" will be "rough" forest trails, I'll do
OK. I'm old enough to want some comfort going to/from work (particulary
when it gets to 10 degrees in February (grin).

Bruce

"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:hslrpv4rgljsldro4tjmem0ctepmeb5dj6@4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2003 20:00:27 GMT, mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo)
wrote:
>
> >>In article <b102b6e4.0310271147.63e5e07a@posting.google.com >,
spam_box@ev1.net
> >>(Joshua Nelson) writes:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jeep planning less-rugged models; 2004 4x4s to be badged 'Trail
> >>>Rated'
> >>
> >>Anyone who's seen the Liberty already knows this. At least they are
saying
> >>they're keeping "serious" off-road vehicles in the lineup.
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do
is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle.
LOL.
>
>

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
and sliding in a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

jbjeep wrote:
>
> Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to do is cut
> everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

Hi Matt,
Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see that I
> am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive so they
> have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you take
> your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to its IFS
> it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held against
> the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
> have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
>
> My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program DC is
> coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is equal to
> a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that "serious"
> off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
> forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the Grand
> Cherokee.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@cox.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@cox.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

They do - its called the Gelandewagen and costs 72,500K. Thank god they make
Jeeps as I can't afford one. Sadly I can't afford a Viper either.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DF3F6.FF8E9AC0@cox.net...
: Hi Matt,
: Why does Daimler have to produce only mediocre vehicles to sell to
: the masses, why can't they make a Jeep, comparable to the type of
: machines they make for the road, like their Viper, or GM's Corvette, or
: coming next year the Ford's GT, selling in excess of a hundred and fifty
: thousand: http://www.cacfc.ca/new_page_3.htm
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
: >
: > Take it easy, old timer. :-) If you know my posting history you will see
that I
: > am in complete agreement with you. Of course DC has to stay competitive
so they
: > have to introduce a more road-comfortable vehicle. I'm actually glad you
take
: > your Liberty off-road, while not as capable as a Wrangler due mainly to
its IFS
: > it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
: > the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally
agreed to
: > have more off-road capability than the Liberty.
: >
: > My point was twofold...(1) that the "trail rated" advertising program
DC is
: > coming up with is just a marketing gimmick if it infers the Liberty is
equal to
: > a Wrangler in overall trail worthiness, and (2) they confirmed that
"serious"
: > off-road vehicles will remain in the lineup, presumably the TJ and the
: > forthcoming Scrambler, though rumor has it that IFS is destined for the
Grand
: > Cherokee.
: > * * *
: > Matt Macchiarolo
: > www.townpeddler.com
: > www.wolverine4wd.org
: > http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

unfair, but very funny :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@cox.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

unfair, but very funny :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@cox.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

unfair, but very funny :-)

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F9DEF02.3E9B4695@cox.net...
: I was thinking more along the lines of lifting up the radiator cap
: and sliding in a Real Jeep.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: jbjeep wrote:
: >
: > Now, now, the Libby can be a serious off road machine...all you have to
do is cut
: > everything off at the frame and then replace the lower 1/2 of the
vehicle. LOL.

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...

Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--

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Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...

Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--

Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address

Re: Jeep brand to become "less rugged" according to chrysler
 

>it is probably more capable than many believe. Most of the disdain held
against
>the Liberty is that it replaced the XJ Cherokee which is generally agreed to
>have more off-road capability than the Liberty.

That and the fact that the Liberty is smaller than the Cherokee. While going
camping up north, we had the choice of three vehicles: My 10 year old XJ, a
one year old KJ, or a Ford Ranger. Guess which one we took...

Hopefully I'll be able to find another good used XJ when mine finally dies, or
be able to afford a WJ. The KJ (and TJ) simply do not fit my needs.
--

Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN to email, remove the "q" from my address