Unknown

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Unknown wrote:
>>
>> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
>> back to gasoline on the fly.
>> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in some
>> air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
>> to vapor stage.

Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
crawling around at 5mph through the woods.


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Earle Horton

"Unknown" <deev.nil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.29.08.57.29.754588@gmail.com...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> > will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> > that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> > valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> > drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Unknown wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
> >> back to gasoline on the fly.
> >> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in
> >> some air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
> >> to vapor stage.
>
> Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
> any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
> crawling around at 5mph through the woods.
>

You need to evaporate a significant amount of propane per unit time to
make this work. That would be much more than could be used by any vehicle
carburetor, especially crawling around at 5 mph and using minimal fuel. If
you put the heat-absorbing part of your LPG plumbing inside the cab, you
would receive some benefit, but hardly enough to make it worth your while.

An air conditioning system, which you could install instead, uses a
recycling, compressible fluid, and inputs a significant amount of
horsepower. If you do the heat transfer equations, this translates to
gallons and gallons of propane, or whatever fluid you want to use, per hour.
There is really no free lunch here.

You can fix the safety issues, but "I canna' change the laws of physics,
Cap'n".

Earle

Earle Horton

"Unknown" <deev.nil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.29.08.57.29.754588@gmail.com...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> > will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> > that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> > valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> > drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Unknown wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
> >> back to gasoline on the fly.
> >> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in
> >> some air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
> >> to vapor stage.
>
> Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
> any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
> crawling around at 5mph through the woods.
>

You need to evaporate a significant amount of propane per unit time to
make this work. That would be much more than could be used by any vehicle
carburetor, especially crawling around at 5 mph and using minimal fuel. If
you put the heat-absorbing part of your LPG plumbing inside the cab, you
would receive some benefit, but hardly enough to make it worth your while.

An air conditioning system, which you could install instead, uses a
recycling, compressible fluid, and inputs a significant amount of
horsepower. If you do the heat transfer equations, this translates to
gallons and gallons of propane, or whatever fluid you want to use, per hour.
There is really no free lunch here.

You can fix the safety issues, but "I canna' change the laws of physics,
Cap'n".

Earle

Earle Horton

"Unknown" <deev.nil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.29.08.57.29.754588@gmail.com...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> > will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> > that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> > valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> > drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Unknown wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
> >> back to gasoline on the fly.
> >> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in
> >> some air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
> >> to vapor stage.
>
> Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
> any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
> crawling around at 5mph through the woods.
>

You need to evaporate a significant amount of propane per unit time to
make this work. That would be much more than could be used by any vehicle
carburetor, especially crawling around at 5 mph and using minimal fuel. If
you put the heat-absorbing part of your LPG plumbing inside the cab, you
would receive some benefit, but hardly enough to make it worth your while.

An air conditioning system, which you could install instead, uses a
recycling, compressible fluid, and inputs a significant amount of
horsepower. If you do the heat transfer equations, this translates to
gallons and gallons of propane, or whatever fluid you want to use, per hour.
There is really no free lunch here.

You can fix the safety issues, but "I canna' change the laws of physics,
Cap'n".

Earle

Earle Horton

"Unknown" <deev.nil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.29.08.57.29.754588@gmail.com...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:21:44 -0700, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
> > Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> > will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> > that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> > valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> > drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Unknown wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been looking into running LPG butI would want to be able to switch
> >> back to gasoline on the fly.
> >> I also think it would be especially nice to have the liquid expand in
> >> some air-conditioner coils so I could stay cool from the liquid
> >> to vapor stage.
>
> Ah hell, I guess the damned tank pressure will prevent the fuel from doing
> any kind of pre-reg vaporising. That's too bad, it's gets awful hot
> crawling around at 5mph through the woods.
>

You need to evaporate a significant amount of propane per unit time to
make this work. That would be much more than could be used by any vehicle
carburetor, especially crawling around at 5 mph and using minimal fuel. If
you put the heat-absorbing part of your LPG plumbing inside the cab, you
would receive some benefit, but hardly enough to make it worth your while.

An air conditioning system, which you could install instead, uses a
recycling, compressible fluid, and inputs a significant amount of
horsepower. If you do the heat transfer equations, this translates to
gallons and gallons of propane, or whatever fluid you want to use, per hour.
There is really no free lunch here.

You can fix the safety issues, but "I canna' change the laws of physics,
Cap'n".

Earle

Bret Ludwig

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg


That's not how propane systems work, they never did, and you know it.
No one ever died from a propane freeze up and you admitted you lied
about it before. I think you are really Bill Clinton maybe.

Bret Ludwig

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg


That's not how propane systems work, they never did, and you know it.
No one ever died from a propane freeze up and you admitted you lied
about it before. I think you are really Bill Clinton maybe.

Bret Ludwig

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg


That's not how propane systems work, they never did, and you know it.
No one ever died from a propane freeze up and you admitted you lied
about it before. I think you are really Bill Clinton maybe.

Bret Ludwig

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Actually that's what makes expanding gases so dangerous is that it
> will cool like air conditioning while turning back into a vapor again,
> that's why we must use heater hose to run hot water through the throttle
> valve to keep it them from freezing while open and killing another
> drive: http://www.----------.com/temp/Holley-REG-LPG-gas.jpg


That's not how propane systems work, they never did, and you know it.
No one ever died from a propane freeze up and you admitted you lied
about it before. I think you are really Bill Clinton maybe.

Bret Ludwig

Unknown wrote:
> I've never had a chance to destroy a fancy high-volume propane regulator,
> but earlier this summer I was fooling around with this very simple RV
> appliance type that I really liked. It was just a diaphram that closed as
> a function of the output pressure. The input went directly to the tank but
> there semmed to be no mechanical policy requiring a liquid source to
> function as long as the connection from the tank to the input of the
> regulator was not forcefully heated. Since then I've been curious as to
> why the input side shouldn't flow through a passive radiator/blower and be
> used to recover the phase change cooling before going to a regulator? With
> a water heated type of regulator fed by the high pressure side of
> liquified fuel into an inadequate exchanger I would think it should get
> very cold - enough for an air conditioner without necessarily having to
> even function, like in the winter, for the fuel to simply flow through an
> iced block of 'let the water exchanger work full time when necessary'. If
> that makes sense. The last article I read
> http://www.motherearthnews.com/libra...Car_To_Propane


Good information on Propane is hard to find in the US right now.
Nolff's put out a good book but they were bought by Woodward. They may
have some left. Larry Carley wrote a book, Jay Storer wrote another.
Use interlibrary loan or eBay.