Eric

I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.

But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
limiters work.

Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
doesn't work.

- Eric
99 TJ SE
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:3skggmForggpU1@individual.net...
> The restorer's magazine "Skinned Knuckles" ran an article by Fritz Henning
> about miracle gas saving devices from the twenties and thirties. It was a
> great read.
> When the US Government began regulating drugs, the fine folks who sold
> quack formulae moved to another growing industry, the automobile. That's
> why this stuff is generically called "Snake oil".
> They sold all kinds of silly devices, some remarkably like those for sale
> today, and promised huge results. One had a plate with a rotor that went
> under the carb, another had vanes to "turbulate", Chemical additives were
> plentiful.
> Fritz figured if you used any combination of 4 devices you would go over
> 100% fuel savings and you would have a problem with your fuel tank
> overflowing.
> If any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be using it.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Eric

I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.

But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
limiters work.

Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
doesn't work.

- Eric
99 TJ SE
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:3skggmForggpU1@individual.net...
> The restorer's magazine "Skinned Knuckles" ran an article by Fritz Henning
> about miracle gas saving devices from the twenties and thirties. It was a
> great read.
> When the US Government began regulating drugs, the fine folks who sold
> quack formulae moved to another growing industry, the automobile. That's
> why this stuff is generically called "Snake oil".
> They sold all kinds of silly devices, some remarkably like those for sale
> today, and promised huge results. One had a plate with a rotor that went
> under the carb, another had vanes to "turbulate", Chemical additives were
> plentiful.
> Fritz figured if you used any combination of 4 devices you would go over
> 100% fuel savings and you would have a problem with your fuel tank
> overflowing.
> If any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be using it.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

Eric

I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.

But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
limiters work.

Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
doesn't work.

- Eric
99 TJ SE
"Stupendous Man" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:3skggmForggpU1@individual.net...
> The restorer's magazine "Skinned Knuckles" ran an article by Fritz Henning
> about miracle gas saving devices from the twenties and thirties. It was a
> great read.
> When the US Government began regulating drugs, the fine folks who sold
> quack formulae moved to another growing industry, the automobile. That's
> why this stuff is generically called "Snake oil".
> They sold all kinds of silly devices, some remarkably like those for sale
> today, and promised huge results. One had a plate with a rotor that went
> under the carb, another had vanes to "turbulate", Chemical additives were
> plentiful.
> Fritz figured if you used any combination of 4 devices you would go over
> 100% fuel savings and you would have a problem with your fuel tank
> overflowing.
> If any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be using it.
> --
> Stupendous Man,
> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>

DougW

Eric did pass the time by typing:
> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>
> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
> limiters work.

That's not the point of the article.

> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
> doesn't work.

Yes I can. :)

However,

If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
sandwich.

With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
none that I know with nitrous.

The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
right off the floor.

Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.

Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
important CAFE rating.

Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
the CAFE rating.

It's all about the CAFE rating these days.

I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"

--
DougW

DougW

Eric did pass the time by typing:
> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>
> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
> limiters work.

That's not the point of the article.

> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
> doesn't work.

Yes I can. :)

However,

If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
sandwich.

With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
none that I know with nitrous.

The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
right off the floor.

Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.

Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
important CAFE rating.

Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
the CAFE rating.

It's all about the CAFE rating these days.

I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"

--
DougW

DougW

Eric did pass the time by typing:
> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>
> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the exhaust
> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
> limiters work.

That's not the point of the article.

> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger, free-flowing
> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
> doesn't work.

Yes I can. :)

However,

If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
sandwich.

With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
none that I know with nitrous.

The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
right off the floor.

Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.

Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
important CAFE rating.

Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
the CAFE rating.

It's all about the CAFE rating these days.

I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"

--
DougW

Eric

"Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is."

I laughed so hard I almost drooled on my keyboard... just thought you should
know that.

Eric
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:j_f9f.21752$v_5.10972@dukeread07...
> Eric did pass the time by typing:
>> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>>
>> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
>> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the
>> exhaust
>> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
>> limiters work.
>
> That's not the point of the article.
>
>> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger,
>> free-flowing
>> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
>> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
>> doesn't work.
>
> Yes I can. :)
>
> However,
>
> If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
> or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
> the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
> sandwich.
>
> With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
> systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
> that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
> none that I know with nitrous.
>
> The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
> and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
> http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm
>
> There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
> the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
> right off the floor.
>
> Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
> glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.
>
> Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
> go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
> car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
> important CAFE rating.
>
> Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
> the CAFE rating.
>
> It's all about the CAFE rating these days.
>
> I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
> improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"
>
> --
> DougW
>

Eric

"Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is."

I laughed so hard I almost drooled on my keyboard... just thought you should
know that.

Eric
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:j_f9f.21752$v_5.10972@dukeread07...
> Eric did pass the time by typing:
>> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>>
>> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
>> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the
>> exhaust
>> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
>> limiters work.
>
> That's not the point of the article.
>
>> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger,
>> free-flowing
>> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
>> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
>> doesn't work.
>
> Yes I can. :)
>
> However,
>
> If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
> or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
> the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
> sandwich.
>
> With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
> systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
> that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
> none that I know with nitrous.
>
> The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
> and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
> http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm
>
> There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
> the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
> right off the floor.
>
> Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
> glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.
>
> Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
> go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
> car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
> important CAFE rating.
>
> Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
> the CAFE rating.
>
> It's all about the CAFE rating these days.
>
> I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
> improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"
>
> --
> DougW
>

Eric

"Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is."

I laughed so hard I almost drooled on my keyboard... just thought you should
know that.

Eric
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:j_f9f.21752$v_5.10972@dukeread07...
> Eric did pass the time by typing:
>> I agree that a lot of that stuff is snake oil. No doubt at all.
>>
>> But the argument "iff any of this crap worked, the manufacturers would be
>> using it" is bull. NOS works. Superchargers work. Opening up the
>> exhaust
>> works. Using a scanner tool or something like that to remove the speed
>> limiters work.
>
> That's not the point of the article.
>
>> Why don't the manufacturers just put superchargers and bigger,
>> free-flowing
>> exhausts on every engine? Many reasons. But you can't say that just
>> because they don't come from the factory that way, doesn't mean stuff
>> doesn't work.
>
> Yes I can. :)
>
> However,
>
> If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
> or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
> the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
> sandwich.
>
> With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
> systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
> that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
> none that I know with nitrous.
>
> The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
> and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
> http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm
>
> There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
> the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
> right off the floor.
>
> Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
> glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.
>
> Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
> go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
> car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
> important CAFE rating.
>
> Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
> the CAFE rating.
>
> It's all about the CAFE rating these days.
>
> I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
> improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"
>
> --
> DougW
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I couldn't believe it when I came out of the ARMY and a friend had
bought an eleven second Camaro for '68. Something I had worked very hard
to do with about three times the money before the ARMY and marriage.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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DougW wrote:
>
> Yes I can. :)
>
> However,
>
> If there was something so blazingly simple as magnets on the fuel line
> or air swirly thingys that would improve both horsepower and economy
> the car companies would be all over it like a hobo on a roast beef
> sandwich.
>
> With most vendors there is at least one model line with opened up
> systems/no restrictors. And even then there are quite a few vehicles
> that come stock with super chargers and turbo chargers. Although
> none that I know with nitrous.
>
> The reason we don't have wide open systems is the vendors CAFE rating
> and other laws and restrictions on noise, etc.
> http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm
>
> There was a time (Bill knows) when you could order up a car with
> the baddest *** engine the factory could stuff in it. Race ready
> right off the floor.
>
> Honestly, would you want every car coming off the assembly line with
> glasspacks? Those damn ricer fart-pipes are bad enough as it is.
>
> Speed limiters are there for insurance purposes, make a car that can
> go too fast and the insurance companies will jack the rates up and impact
> car sales. It's also for meeting NHTSA regulations and again, the all
> important CAFE rating.
>
> Now any gizmo that improved milage and horsepower would also improve
> the CAFE rating.
>
> It's all about the CAFE rating these days.
>
> I'll tell you for absolute certain that neither turbos nor blowers
> improve mileage. "There is no replacement for displacement"
>
> --
> DougW