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installing power brakes on a cj?
I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and
will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? thanks carmine |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > thanks carmine I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake lines are sending you an important message. Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear cylinders fit 76 through 89. Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > thanks carmine I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake lines are sending you an important message. Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear cylinders fit 76 through 89. Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote:
> I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > thanks carmine I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake lines are sending you an important message. Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear cylinders fit 76 through 89. Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Can you install a booster without changing the master?
In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, so I do have an advantage here. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Can you install a booster without changing the master?
In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, so I do have an advantage here. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Can you install a booster without changing the master?
In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, so I do have an advantage here. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
No, the master is totally different for power brakes.
There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the other is for drum fronts. A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Paul Calman wrote: > > Can you install a booster without changing the master? > > In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
No, the master is totally different for power brakes.
There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the other is for drum fronts. A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Paul Calman wrote: > > Can you install a booster without changing the master? > > In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
No, the master is totally different for power brakes.
There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the other is for drum fronts. A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Paul Calman wrote: > > Can you install a booster without changing the master? > > In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. > > -- > Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Same experience here. Plus I've found myself in a number of
situations in my Bronco, with a dead engine, wondering weather I should let up on the brakes to start a down hill decent, knowing that every time I release, I use half the storage vacuum, and at six times there will be NO brakes. Remember that Dodge wagon coming off a hill without brakes, in terrain much like the Moab sandstone. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > No, the master is totally different for power brakes. > > There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the > other is for drum fronts. > > A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will > also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. > > On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes > and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. > The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw > the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Same experience here. Plus I've found myself in a number of
situations in my Bronco, with a dead engine, wondering weather I should let up on the brakes to start a down hill decent, knowing that every time I release, I use half the storage vacuum, and at six times there will be NO brakes. Remember that Dodge wagon coming off a hill without brakes, in terrain much like the Moab sandstone. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > No, the master is totally different for power brakes. > > There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the > other is for drum fronts. > > A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will > also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. > > On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes > and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. > The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw > the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
Same experience here. Plus I've found myself in a number of
situations in my Bronco, with a dead engine, wondering weather I should let up on the brakes to start a down hill decent, knowing that every time I release, I use half the storage vacuum, and at six times there will be NO brakes. Remember that Dodge wagon coming off a hill without brakes, in terrain much like the Moab sandstone. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Mike Romain wrote: > > No, the master is totally different for power brakes. > > There also are two varieties on top of that, one is for front disks, the > other is for drum fronts. > > A 'proper' power brake master for a CJ7 isn't expensive at all. He will > also need the proper proportioning or combination valve for it. > > On that note, I have had the chance to compare an 85 with manual brakes > and my 86 with power brakes and the 85 stops a bunch faster than my 86. > The owner of the 85 decided not to bother going to power after he saw > the lack of improvement or an actual downgrade in performance. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a
hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope everything will be o.k. but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > thanks carmine > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > lines are sending you an important message. > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a
hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope everything will be o.k. but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > thanks carmine > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > lines are sending you an important message. > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a
hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope everything will be o.k. but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay and > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > thanks carmine > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > lines are sending you an important message. > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared.
Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the brakes. They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 CJ7's power brake master cylinder. It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! Buy the right parts please. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jet wrote: > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared.
Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the brakes. They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 CJ7's power brake master cylinder. It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! Buy the right parts please. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jet wrote: > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared.
Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the brakes. They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 CJ7's power brake master cylinder. It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! Buy the right parts please. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jet wrote: > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
here are some boosters on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 thanks carmine "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FD126E3.69EE893A@sympatico.ca... > In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared. > > Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the > brakes. > > They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... > > A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. > > I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 > CJ7's power brake master cylinder. > > It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. > $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... > > I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! > > Buy the right parts please. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Jet wrote: > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
here are some boosters on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 thanks carmine "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FD126E3.69EE893A@sympatico.ca... > In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared. > > Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the > brakes. > > They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... > > A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. > > I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 > CJ7's power brake master cylinder. > > It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. > $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... > > I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! > > Buy the right parts please. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Jet wrote: > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
here are some boosters on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 thanks carmine "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3FD126E3.69EE893A@sympatico.ca... > In 91, the AMC designed Jeep disappeared. > > Chrysler took them over and changed a whole mess of stuff including the > brakes. > > They changed the calipers, the master, the combination valve, etc.... > > A 94 master will 'NOT' work on a CJ7, period. > > I just called my local parts store and asked them the price for an 86 > CJ7's power brake master cylinder. > > It costs $53.00 minus a $15.00 rebate for the old one. > $38.00!!!!!!!!!!! In Canadian dollars even..... > > I for one sure the hell won't risk my life over forty bucks! > > Buy the right parts please. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Jet wrote: > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Paul Calman of spam@trap.com wrote:
> In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. You knew what you were doing. I don't have the same confidence "Jet". He bought the wrong part -- because he doesn't know what he is doing. He bought it on E-Bay to save a few dollars, discovers that it doesn't fit, asks here if he can make it fit and when he is told "don't do it", runs off to another jeep group to see if someone there will say "sure, shoehorn it in and don't bother using bolts, just put some bailing wire on it instead. And use fuel hose to bridge any gaps in the lines." Just because some seller on E-Bay says the part will fit doesn't make it so. I'll tell you what his post reminds me of: About 15 years ago a local guy decided that he wanted a snazzier steering wheel but he couldn't be bothered to get the right one. The one he bought _almost_ fit, with a few spare parts left over and a bit of mickeymousing. He loaded up the car with three of his buds and went out of a spin. At 50 MPH the snazzy new steering wheel decided that it really didn't like being mated to the steering shaft and refused to have anything more to do with it, the steering box or the rest of the car. He hit a nurse I was scheduled to work with that night head on, and killed her outright. She left a husband and two little kids, the driver got a couple of scratches and walked away. "Jet" should resell the damned thing on E-bay and buy the right part for his jeep. He'll save time and money spent trying to make it fit. And, perhaps, time and money in court later. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Paul Calman of spam@trap.com wrote:
> In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. You knew what you were doing. I don't have the same confidence "Jet". He bought the wrong part -- because he doesn't know what he is doing. He bought it on E-Bay to save a few dollars, discovers that it doesn't fit, asks here if he can make it fit and when he is told "don't do it", runs off to another jeep group to see if someone there will say "sure, shoehorn it in and don't bother using bolts, just put some bailing wire on it instead. And use fuel hose to bridge any gaps in the lines." Just because some seller on E-Bay says the part will fit doesn't make it so. I'll tell you what his post reminds me of: About 15 years ago a local guy decided that he wanted a snazzier steering wheel but he couldn't be bothered to get the right one. The one he bought _almost_ fit, with a few spare parts left over and a bit of mickeymousing. He loaded up the car with three of his buds and went out of a spin. At 50 MPH the snazzy new steering wheel decided that it really didn't like being mated to the steering shaft and refused to have anything more to do with it, the steering box or the rest of the car. He hit a nurse I was scheduled to work with that night head on, and killed her outright. She left a husband and two little kids, the driver got a couple of scratches and walked away. "Jet" should resell the damned thing on E-bay and buy the right part for his jeep. He'll save time and money spent trying to make it fit. And, perhaps, time and money in court later. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Paul Calman of spam@trap.com wrote:
> In response to Lee's post, I have changed my Jeepster from non-power 11 inch > drums to a Bronco Master and early series power conversion kit, Scout > Booster, CJ disk front, and have significantly increased the brake > effectivness and safety of my machine. I am certified as a Master Auto tech, > so I do have an advantage here. You knew what you were doing. I don't have the same confidence "Jet". He bought the wrong part -- because he doesn't know what he is doing. He bought it on E-Bay to save a few dollars, discovers that it doesn't fit, asks here if he can make it fit and when he is told "don't do it", runs off to another jeep group to see if someone there will say "sure, shoehorn it in and don't bother using bolts, just put some bailing wire on it instead. And use fuel hose to bridge any gaps in the lines." Just because some seller on E-Bay says the part will fit doesn't make it so. I'll tell you what his post reminds me of: About 15 years ago a local guy decided that he wanted a snazzier steering wheel but he couldn't be bothered to get the right one. The one he bought _almost_ fit, with a few spare parts left over and a bit of mickeymousing. He loaded up the car with three of his buds and went out of a spin. At 50 MPH the snazzy new steering wheel decided that it really didn't like being mated to the steering shaft and refused to have anything more to do with it, the steering box or the rest of the car. He hit a nurse I was scheduled to work with that night head on, and killed her outright. She left a husband and two little kids, the driver got a couple of scratches and walked away. "Jet" should resell the damned thing on E-bay and buy the right part for his jeep. He'll save time and money spent trying to make it fit. And, perhaps, time and money in court later. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over someone who just wanted your money. On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete coverage and maximum profit potential." Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over someone who just wanted your money. On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete coverage and maximum profit potential." Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over someone who just wanted your money. On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > everything will be o.k. > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > and > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > thanks carmine > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete coverage and maximum profit potential." Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
Mike Jet wrote: > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > as possible. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > a > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > beer > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > have > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > everything will be o.k. > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > is > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > the > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > it > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > has > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > ebay > > > and > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > valve > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > has > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > can I > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > on > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > line > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > do? > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > numbers > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > Even > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > at > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > still > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > the > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > rear > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > I > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > case > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > to > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
Mike Jet wrote: > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > as possible. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > a > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > beer > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > have > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > everything will be o.k. > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > is > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > the > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > it > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > has > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > ebay > > > and > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > valve > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > has > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > can I > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > on > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > line > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > do? > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > numbers > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > Even > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > at > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > still > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > the > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > rear > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > I > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > case > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > to > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't.
Mike Jet wrote: > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > as possible. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > thanks carmine > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > a > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > beer > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > have > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > everything will be o.k. > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > is > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > the > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > it > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > has > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > ebay > > > and > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > valve > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > has > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > can I > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > on > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > line > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > do? > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > numbers > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > Even > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > at > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > still > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > the > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > rear > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > I > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > case > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > to > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions as possible. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions as possible. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find
someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions as possible. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 thanks carmine "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of a > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of beer > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always have > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > everything will be o.k. > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it is > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep the > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean it > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. has > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on ebay > > and > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning valve > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder has > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? can I > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder on > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum line > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt do? > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts numbers > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. Even > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign at > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you still > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, the > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the rear > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless I > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this case > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going to > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
I take that back after reading the seller's comments.
They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool. He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7. You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that doesn't mean it is going to work right. The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers and wheel cylinders. CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different.... I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Mike Mike Romain wrote: > > The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't. > > Mike > > Jet wrote: > > > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > > as possible. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > > > thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > > a > > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > > beer > > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > > have > > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > > everything will be o.k. > > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > > is > > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > > the > > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > > it > > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > > has > > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > > ebay > > > > and > > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > > valve > > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > > has > > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > > can I > > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > > on > > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > > line > > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > > do? > > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > > numbers > > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > > Even > > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > > at > > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > > still > > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > > the > > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > > rear > > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > > I > > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > > case > > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > > to > > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
I take that back after reading the seller's comments.
They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool. He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7. You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that doesn't mean it is going to work right. The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers and wheel cylinders. CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different.... I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Mike Mike Romain wrote: > > The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't. > > Mike > > Jet wrote: > > > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > > as possible. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > > > thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > > a > > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > > beer > > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > > have > > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > > everything will be o.k. > > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > > is > > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > > the > > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > > it > > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > > has > > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > > ebay > > > > and > > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > > valve > > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > > has > > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > > can I > > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > > on > > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > > line > > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > > do? > > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > > numbers > > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > > Even > > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > > at > > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > > still > > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > > the > > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > > rear > > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > > I > > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > > case > > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > > to > > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
I take that back after reading the seller's comments.
They all say the same thing and in my opinion the guy is a fool. He is talking about 'making' them fit a CJ7. You can jury rig any booster and master setup to sort of work, that doesn't mean it is going to work right. The master and boosters are matched up to the pistons in the calipers and wheel cylinders. CJ and YJ ones are different as far as I have seen, a lot different.... I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Mike Mike Romain wrote: > > The booster might still be ok, it's the master that isn't. > > Mike > > Jet wrote: > > > > lee I went to another group to get some other opinions and maybe find > > someone who has done this first hand. after I get a bunch of opinions I will > > make a decision whether i want to put it on my jeep or not. but that does > > not mean i am going to use bailing wire and a bunch of rediculous parts to > > put it on. almost all the wrangler boosters on ebay say that they will work > > on cj's. i may just put it back on ebay but i want to get as many opinions > > as possible. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2443418438 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2444175893 > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2445197077 > > > > thanks carmine > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312061245290.14253-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > > See Mike Romain's post on this. You'd do well to take his advice over > > > someone who just wanted your money. > > > > > > > > > > > > On or about Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > no Lee I have not made funeral arraignments. but I do live on the top of > > a > > > > hill from a school and when I work on my jeep I like to drink allot of > > beer > > > > and oh yea my emergency brake cables are rusted and don't work, you know > > > > those old jeeps. and my jeep has a supercharger 454 in it so I always > > have > > > > the throttle wide open so I don't use brakes that much. but I hope > > > > everything will be o.k. > > > > but seriously I called the guy who sold me the booster and he said it > > is > > > > off of a 94 wrangler with a 4 liter 6 cyl. I would think that if I keep > > the > > > > same master cylinder and proportioning valve that the front to back > > > > difference in pressure would stay the same and I would be increasing the > > > > pressure with the booster. just because they changed the part don't mean > > it > > > > wont work maybe they were just looking for a different pedal pressure. > > has > > > > anyone done a CJ to wrangler brake conversion? thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@ntplx.net> wrote in message > > > > news:Pine.GSO.4.43.0312051155370.13615-100000@sea.ntplx.net... > > > > > On or about Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Jet of jet@bestweb.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a vacuum booster and a master cylinder of a wrangler on > > ebay > > > > and > > > > > > will be installing it on my 86 cj7 this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Have you made reservations for your funeral on Tuesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my jeep has front disks and back drum brakes with a proportioning > > valve > > > > > > mounted to the frame. I noticed that the wrangler master cylinder > > has > > > > > > the brake lines coming out of the opposite side is this a problem? > > can I > > > > > > unbolt the wrangler master cylinder and bolt my CJ master cylinder > > on > > > > > > and not have to bleed the brakes? or do I have to use the master > > > > > > cylinder and booster as a set? where should I hook up the vacuum > > line > > > > > > to? anything else anyone can think of that I should do or should'nt > > do? > > > > > > thanks carmine > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be in for some trouble making it fit, and the brake > > > > > lines are sending you an important message. > > > > > > > > > > Looking quickly in a mail order catalogue, I notice that the parts > > numbers > > > > > for the 78-86 power master cylinder are not the same as the master for > > > > > the 87-89 YJ, the 90-94 (without ABS) or the 95 YJ (with or w/o ABS). > > > > > All different, as are the proportioning valves for 82-86 and 87-93. > > Even > > > > > if you can physically make it fit (remember the sheet metal redesign > > at > > > > > the end of the CJ run -- did they change pedal assemblies too?), you > > still > > > > > should want to know if they are hydraulically equal. Looking again, > > the > > > > > front calipers fit 82 through 89, then change for 90 through 00, the > > rear > > > > > cylinders fit 76 through 89. > > > > > > > > > > Call me a yellow-livered milktoast mamma's boy chicken corporate > > > > > ass-sucker if you like, but I wouldn't mess around with brakes unless > > I > > > > > knew for sure I was doing the right thing. The "right thing" in this > > case > > > > > would be getting the right master and booster for my Jeep instead of > > > > > trying to cobble something up from bits and pieces. You're not going > > to > > > > > feel too good about it if the first time you panic-stab the brakes you > > > > > lock the front wheels, skid and kill someone other than yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "doing whatever it took to capture world marketing shares, even as far > > > as having multiple satellites circling the globe to ensure complete > > > coverage and maximum profit potential." > > > > > > Tealady spills the beans on AFU's new business plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original diameter. I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too hard. Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for $20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original diameter. I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too hard. Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for $20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
Re: installing power brakes on a cj?
> I would just get a proper CJ one if it was mine. Like I mentioned a new
> CJ7 master is only $38.00.... Brakes are a device on which I never try to save money. I buy the best parts I can. When I hone out a bore, it gets larger, and to remove the corrosion pitting requires a lot of metal removal. I buy new hydraulics rather than rebuilt which are honed out to 'who knows what' size. In the case of rare antiques, i have them bored and sleeved in brass or SS to the original diameter. I have found that brakes shoes and pads of the cheap variety generally give more braking force than 'lifetime guaranteed" shoes and pads which are too hard. Mercedes and Volvo did it right, they used pads that will wear out, and soft nodular iron rotors, and you get powerful brakes with disposable parts. I can still buy Merc. 300 series rotors for $10 each, new and sell them for $20. I never turn rotors on either make. Volvo brakes always make noise unless you use factory pads, and Merc usually too. -- Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California |
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