Ignition switch/lock problem
07-26-2007, 03:05 AM
#51
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Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:02:06 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
07-26-2007, 03:05 AM
#52
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Posts: n/a
Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:02:06 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
07-26-2007, 03:05 AM
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ignition switch/lock problem
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:02:06 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:
>Are you sure of that?
Yes.
>
>The lock set is way up high on the steering column, and the ignition switch
>itself is down by the brake pedal. There is a linkage that connects the two.
Wrong.
>
>I have not done this job on an XJ, but I did it on my Ford and my CJ5, and
>both had the same configuration -- albeit different parts and a a variation
>on the implementation of them. I have no reason to expect the XJ to be very
>much different than my
>CJ.
OK then, continue assuming you know what you're talking about and keep
misleading the guy.
>
>In any case, the OP will be able to see the broken stuff once he gets the
>steering wheel and lock plate and (maybe) the turn signal switch off.
Steering wheel does not need to come off. T/S switch does not need to
come off. Doesn't have a lock plate.
>
>
>
>
>
>"bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message
>news:sdg8a315rvtv2klr33k91iqco432ug9mln@4ax.com.. .
>> There is no rack. Since the ignition lock cylinder goes directly into
>> the switch, there is no linkage between the two.
>>
>> Most llikely, and most common failure is the ignition lock cylinder.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:45:10 -0400, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds like it fits, do you think the rack is bad? What part do I
>>>ask for?
>>>
>>>Is this the same bar that releases the steering lock? When the cover
>>>was off today I could see that moving back and forth.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>> My vote is on the linkage between the lock set and the switch.
>>>>
>>>> The lock set has a gear on the back that engages a rack that pulls a bar
>>>> that operates the switch. Your trouble is in the rack.
>>>>
>>>> You have to remove the steering wheel and the steering lock ring and
>>>> part of the shrouding between the back of the steering wheel and the
>>>> dash board. If you have tilt steering, you have to take that apart as
>>>> well. It's really not very difficult, you will need a GM Steering Wheel
>>>> Lock Ring Removal Tool as the only special tool, and you can use the
>>>> loaners at Autozone, or buy one for about $10.
>>>>
>>>> The turn signal switch is in your way too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46a3e2e6$0$29639$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My 96 XJ has something like 330k on it and the ignition switch and
>>>>> lock has never given any trouble until today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got in the Jeep, turned the key and it felt like something went
>>>>> "crunch", and when it got to the start position nothing happend.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dash lights come on, and with a push I got it started and home
>>>>> (thank goodness for stick shifts!). It's now hotwired so I can get to
>>>>> work until it's fixed but what to fix?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking it's the ignition switch, the key turns all the way but
>>>>> the starter never engages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
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