If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Try Mobil 1 - available in every Wal-mart for less money. And you don't
have to feed a pyramid scheme.
hint - Tupperware home parties pay more than the SpamsOil pyramid.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Try Mobil 1 - available in every Wal-mart for less money. And you don't
have to feed a pyramid scheme.
hint - Tupperware home parties pay more than the SpamsOil pyramid.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Try Mobil 1 - available in every Wal-mart for less money. And you don't
have to feed a pyramid scheme.
hint - Tupperware home parties pay more than the SpamsOil pyramid.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

But other products pass the American Petroleum Institute, and
Society of Automotive Engineers tests and are labeled as such:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf I think
I'll just stick with Pennzoil that's been lubricating two my engines to
over three hundred thousand miles:
http://www.----------.com/temp/pennzoil.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

But other products pass the American Petroleum Institute, and
Society of Automotive Engineers tests and are labeled as such:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf I think
I'll just stick with Pennzoil that's been lubricating two my engines to
over three hundred thousand miles:
http://www.----------.com/temp/pennzoil.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

But other products pass the American Petroleum Institute, and
Society of Automotive Engineers tests and are labeled as such:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf I think
I'll just stick with Pennzoil that's been lubricating two my engines to
over three hundred thousand miles:
http://www.----------.com/temp/pennzoil.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Other products are available in any local autoparts store, cost less,
and are SAE/API certified (as Amsoil is not) so your engine warranty
can't be voided.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Other products are less available and cost more.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Other products are available in any local autoparts store, cost less,
and are SAE/API certified (as Amsoil is not) so your engine warranty
can't be voided.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Other products are less available and cost more.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Other products are available in any local autoparts store, cost less,
and are SAE/API certified (as Amsoil is not) so your engine warranty
can't be voided.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Other products are less available and cost more.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
the engine warranty.

You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.

Mike

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
the engine warranty.

You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.

Mike

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
the engine warranty.

You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.

Mike

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

In article <44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
>spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
>the engine warranty.
>
>You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
>Mike
>
>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.

LOL!!!

--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

In article <44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
>spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
>the engine warranty.
>
>You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
>Mike
>
>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.

LOL!!!

--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

In article <44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
>spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
>the engine warranty.
>
>You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
>Mike
>
>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.

LOL!!!

--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

My neighbors had to have the engine in their Lexus replaced because of
sludge and resulting lubrication failure. They had changed the oil
regularly and had all receipts, so they got a new engine. Afaik, Lexus
didn't bother analyzing the oil's chemical composition, although they did
want to see all the receipts. They took the mechanic's word that he had
installed SAE/API oil. At first, of course, they accused the vehicle owners
of not getting the oil changed according to recommendations. Apparently,
they did this just to tick them off. Although these people know nothing
about auto mechanics, they had followed the Owner's Manual recommendations
to the letter, and saved receipts, so they got a new engine.

I haven't heard of any cases of lubrication failure where DIY maintenance
was involved. I imagine that lots of you guys actually like changing oil,
and never give sludge a chance to form. If this ever happens to me, I will
be bringing a shoebox full of Autozone receipts and a service diary to
court.

I would be more worried about accelerated engine wear than spectacular
failures, since most of us have the good sense not to drive Audi, Chrysler,
Dodge, Hyundai, Lexus, Toyota, SAAB or Volkswagen vehicles. (See
http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm or any other site dedicated to a
discussion of this problem.) Is the stuff you are putting in there now
actually lubricating your crank journals, valve train etc? You don't really
know, without that SAE/API certification. I like to keep a vehicle ten
years or more, way beyond the warranty period. I can get a deal on worn out
fryolator oil from a local restaurant owner, but no thanks.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca...
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
> Mike
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

My neighbors had to have the engine in their Lexus replaced because of
sludge and resulting lubrication failure. They had changed the oil
regularly and had all receipts, so they got a new engine. Afaik, Lexus
didn't bother analyzing the oil's chemical composition, although they did
want to see all the receipts. They took the mechanic's word that he had
installed SAE/API oil. At first, of course, they accused the vehicle owners
of not getting the oil changed according to recommendations. Apparently,
they did this just to tick them off. Although these people know nothing
about auto mechanics, they had followed the Owner's Manual recommendations
to the letter, and saved receipts, so they got a new engine.

I haven't heard of any cases of lubrication failure where DIY maintenance
was involved. I imagine that lots of you guys actually like changing oil,
and never give sludge a chance to form. If this ever happens to me, I will
be bringing a shoebox full of Autozone receipts and a service diary to
court.

I would be more worried about accelerated engine wear than spectacular
failures, since most of us have the good sense not to drive Audi, Chrysler,
Dodge, Hyundai, Lexus, Toyota, SAAB or Volkswagen vehicles. (See
http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm or any other site dedicated to a
discussion of this problem.) Is the stuff you are putting in there now
actually lubricating your crank journals, valve train etc? You don't really
know, without that SAE/API certification. I like to keep a vehicle ten
years or more, way beyond the warranty period. I can get a deal on worn out
fryolator oil from a local restaurant owner, but no thanks.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca...
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
> Mike
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

My neighbors had to have the engine in their Lexus replaced because of
sludge and resulting lubrication failure. They had changed the oil
regularly and had all receipts, so they got a new engine. Afaik, Lexus
didn't bother analyzing the oil's chemical composition, although they did
want to see all the receipts. They took the mechanic's word that he had
installed SAE/API oil. At first, of course, they accused the vehicle owners
of not getting the oil changed according to recommendations. Apparently,
they did this just to tick them off. Although these people know nothing
about auto mechanics, they had followed the Owner's Manual recommendations
to the letter, and saved receipts, so they got a new engine.

I haven't heard of any cases of lubrication failure where DIY maintenance
was involved. I imagine that lots of you guys actually like changing oil,
and never give sludge a chance to form. If this ever happens to me, I will
be bringing a shoebox full of Autozone receipts and a service diary to
court.

I would be more worried about accelerated engine wear than spectacular
failures, since most of us have the good sense not to drive Audi, Chrysler,
Dodge, Hyundai, Lexus, Toyota, SAAB or Volkswagen vehicles. (See
http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm or any other site dedicated to a
discussion of this problem.) Is the stuff you are putting in there now
actually lubricating your crank journals, valve train etc? You don't really
know, without that SAE/API certification. I like to keep a vehicle ten
years or more, way beyond the warranty period. I can get a deal on worn out
fryolator oil from a local restaurant owner, but no thanks.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44BA46A4.AEA0C44E@sympatico.ca...
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>
> Mike
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Other products are less available and cost more.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:

> Other products are less available and cost more.

Here's the product for you, Bret:

http://www.spam.com

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:

> Other products are less available and cost more.

Here's the product for you, Bret:

http://www.spam.com

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:

> Other products are less available and cost more.

Here's the product for you, Bret:

http://www.spam.com

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

XS11E wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.
>
>
> Here's the product for you, Bret:
>
> http://www.spam.com
>
>
>

I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually
like that stuff.

Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar
glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork
shoulder and ham, just good meats.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94446211716271

Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.

Jeff DeWitt

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

XS11E wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.
>
>
> Here's the product for you, Bret:
>
> http://www.spam.com
>
>
>

I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually
like that stuff.

Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar
glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork
shoulder and ham, just good meats.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94446211716271

Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.

Jeff DeWitt

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

XS11E wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1153005086.282797.185920@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>> Other products are less available and cost more.
>
>
> Here's the product for you, Bret:
>
> http://www.spam.com
>
>
>

I'm one of those weird people (and there are a lot of us), who actually
like that stuff.

Fried Spam sandwiches, Spam and beans, baked Spam with a brown sugar
glaze, Spam and eggs... good stuff. And it really is, it contains pork
shoulder and ham, just good meats.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94446211716271

Now the other kind of spam... may its purveyors rot in Hell.

Jeff DeWitt

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>


Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty,
and 3) was denied warranty coverage.

If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine
there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make
warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't
up to snuff.

Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it
well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is
not. It's no cheaper certainly.

As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily
prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based
on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is.
Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear
end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone
up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to
replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>


Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty,
and 3) was denied warranty coverage.

If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine
there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make
warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't
up to snuff.

Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it
well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is
not. It's no cheaper certainly.

As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily
prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based
on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is.
Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear
end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone
up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to
replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Cooking oil has about the same certification for use in an engine as
> spamsoil so you may as well just use that eh. Either way you will void
> the engine warranty.
>
> You spamsoil droids are sometimes just too stupid for words.
>


Find me someone who 1) used Amsoil, 2) failed an engine in warranty,
and 3) was denied warranty coverage.

If you only care about getting the warrantied life from the engine
there is no point in using any premium oil. Most all engines today make
warranty. Those that don't, usually don't fail because the oil wasn't
up to snuff.

Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

I don't know the price of every synthetic oil on the market and it
well may be that there are better cheaper oils than Amsoil. Mobil 1 is
not. It's no cheaper certainly.

As I said before I am not an Amsoil dealer and don't necessarily
prefer synthetics for general use. But your hate for Amsoil is based
on nonsense and as such I feel the need to show it for what it is.
Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

FWIW I did put the Amsoil products in my truck's transmission and rear
end. They now run quieter and possibly cooler (the temperature has gone
up 25 degrees making it hard to tell). On the other hand if I have to
replace seals i will have no one to blame but myself.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.

Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a
descendant of an Amway product.

In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is ---- DeVos,
whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.

Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.

Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a
descendant of an Amway product.

In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is ---- DeVos,
whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.

Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.

Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.

Funny you mention that, I have heard but have not confirmed Amsoil may be a
descendant of an Amway product.

In Michigan, the Republican nominee for governor this year is ---- DeVos,
whose family made its considerable fortune as co-founders of Amway.

Two reasons why I will (a) vote for the incumbent and (b) not buy Amsoil.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.

Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>


No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.

If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.

You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.

For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>


No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.

If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.

You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.

For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >
> > Amsoil is a MLM but last I heard that was legal. They are not engaging
> > in high power pressure tactics like Amway or a few others.
>
> Amsoil is not API certified, and you seem to keep forgetting that.
>


No law requires it to be. Further most other specialist synthetics are
not either.

If you have an engine failure CAUSED BY BAD OIL PERFORMANCE, the
manufacturer has the right to have the oil analyzed, but the fact is
engines don't fail in warranty because of bad oil. When they fail in
warranty it's either a casting failure or gross misassembly most of the
time.

You are under no moral obligation to volunteer every single thing
someone might possibly feel is not to their liking. It's like inviting
the neighbors over for a swim in your pool and then asking the women if
any of them are having their period. A, that's why we put in chlorine
and B. if it ranks you out don't invite other people to your pool. If
Amsoil really was causing engines to fail in warranty believe me,
manufacturers would specifically test for it. It isn't happening.

For that reason I don't care if Amsoil is API certified or not any
more than I care if high end audio equipment is UL certified (it isn't
because the quantities make testing cost-ineffective) or whether
something is ISO 9000 certified.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.

Re: If you are going to run synthetic oil, you as well may run Amsoil
 

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153229874.805740.96110@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > Amsoil's lack of certification is not a problem per se, as carmakers
> > don't analyze the oil from failed engines. They'd never know.
>
> Unless you brought your blown engine in and told them you used Amsoil. Then
> you're stuck. So you don't tell them you used a non-certified oil, required
> by the warranty. There's a word for that, it's spelled F-R-A-U-D.

Well, yeah. But if the oil had nothing to do with it they'd probably
not care. And if it DID Amsoil has a warranty, which is not perfect but
better than no warranty.