Jeeps Canada - Jeep Forums

Jeeps Canada - Jeep Forums (https://www.jeepscanada.com/)
-   Jeep Mailing List (https://www.jeepscanada.com/jeep-mailing-list-32/)
-   -   I need R-12 (https://www.jeepscanada.com/jeep-mailing-list-32/i-need-r-12-a-46233/)

Craig Christian 06-01-2007 04:04 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
nrs wrote:
> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>
> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.



There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
alternatives that are less destructive.

Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.


:-)
Craig C.


nrs 06-01-2007 04:48 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!

>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.


I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


nrs 06-01-2007 04:48 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!

>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.


I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


nrs 06-01-2007 04:48 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!

>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.


I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


nrs 06-01-2007 04:48 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
On Jun 1, 3:04 pm, Craig Christian <mcraig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> nrs wrote:
> > Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
> > Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!

>
> > Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
> > Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
> :-)
> Craig C.


I agree. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


SnoMan 06-01-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?


Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his arse and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-01-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?


Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his arse and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-01-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?


Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his arse and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan 06-01-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>
>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>
>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>
>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?


Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
here that preach more tripe than him. He shows you extreme lack of
knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
many years. The biggest reason they are down on it here is because
Duponts lobbying. Isobutane or propane also weighs less and therefore
takes less energy to cycle through system so compressor uses less
energy and the coolant capured more heat per volume too so it is a win
win. If Mike ever really learns to get his head out of his arse and
learn a bit he could maybe be more viable. BTW, with a R134 charge as
I said before it is a compromise at best as a R12 replacement because
R134 has a higher average pressure and it rate of pressure increase in
not linear as tempatures rises (it climbs quicker) placing more strain
on old R12 systems and Mike likely does not know that R134 is toxic
and quite deadly in consentration while R12. R12a and propane is not
toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
from lack of oxygen. Burn R134 in a fire like a wreck and it is even
more toxic yet. The AirForce did a study on this several years ago for
combat damage ad determined that the average R134 system have enough
R134 in it to "dose" a fairly tight passenger compartment with a
dosage that is about 5 times the lethal level. Dupont is pretty quiet
about all of this of course.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Will Honea 06-01-2007 06:10 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Spdloader wrote:

>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>

>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.


The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-01-2007 06:10 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Spdloader wrote:

>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>

>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.


The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-01-2007 06:10 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Spdloader wrote:

>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>

>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.


The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...

--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-01-2007 06:10 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Spdloader wrote:

>
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>>

>
> Mike,
> Just a little tidbit of info.
> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C
> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants.
> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them.
> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already
> pressurized gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a
> dangerous environment.
>
> Now, that said, I love to jump on Snojob anytime he spews his nonsense, so
> I'm not getting into that, your statement just brought up an old memory.


The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
overnight or longer. Of course, the effects of breathing R134 from such a
leak in such a place are also unpleasant, but at least your house will
still be standing and the fire department won't be quite as troubled...

--
Will Honea

Craig Christian 06-01-2007 06:11 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
nrs wrote:
> Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


That'd be a great thing to print on the spare tire cover of a Jeep.


:-)
Craig C.


Craig Christian 06-01-2007 06:11 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
nrs wrote:
> Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


That'd be a great thing to print on the spare tire cover of a Jeep.


:-)
Craig C.


Craig Christian 06-01-2007 06:11 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
nrs wrote:
> Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


That'd be a great thing to print on the spare tire cover of a Jeep.


:-)
Craig C.


Craig Christian 06-01-2007 06:11 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
nrs wrote:
> Improvise, adapt, and overcome.


That'd be a great thing to print on the spare tire cover of a Jeep.


:-)
Craig C.


Mike Romain 06-01-2007 06:20 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
SnoMan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>

.. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen.


You are a stupid ----.

Jeep AC systems leak into the cab.

The OP has a leaky one.

Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

What part of that are you missing?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 06:20 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
SnoMan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>

.. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen.


You are a stupid ----.

Jeep AC systems leak into the cab.

The OP has a leaky one.

Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

What part of that are you missing?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 06:20 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
SnoMan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>

.. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen.


You are a stupid ----.

Jeep AC systems leak into the cab.

The OP has a leaky one.

Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

What part of that are you missing?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 06:20 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
SnoMan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>

.. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen.


You are a stupid ----.

Jeep AC systems leak into the cab.

The OP has a leaky one.

Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

What part of that are you missing?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland 06-01-2007 07:06 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.


The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.



That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...






Jeff Strickland 06-01-2007 07:06 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.


The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.



That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...






Jeff Strickland 06-01-2007 07:06 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.


The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.



That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...






Jeff Strickland 06-01-2007 07:06 PM

Re: Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?

>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.


The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.



That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...






Jeff DeWitt 06-01-2007 08:45 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>



SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 06-01-2007 08:45 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>



SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 06-01-2007 08:45 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>



SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

Jeff DeWitt 06-01-2007 08:45 PM

Re: I need R-12
 
Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.

>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>



SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:50 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Will Honea writes:

> The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> overnight or longer.


The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
including the fire department, worries about indoors. My lifetime sample
size of a few dozen bottles has displayed a few slow-leakers. Or you just
don't turn the torch off properly. One of those bottles, plus the spare in
your toolbox, is about the same mass of propane to charge an auto air
conditioner.

You might want to consider the limits of flammability for propane in air.
It takes quite a stroke of luck to get the right proportion from a given
leak rate or given volume of enclosure. The hazard would seem to be quite
comparable to a gasoline fuel system leak.

Propane indeed has its hazards and should be respected, but being
superstitious about it is imprudent.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used in residential refrigerators. Propane is a
kitten compared to that stuff.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:50 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Will Honea writes:

> The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> overnight or longer.


The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
including the fire department, worries about indoors. My lifetime sample
size of a few dozen bottles has displayed a few slow-leakers. Or you just
don't turn the torch off properly. One of those bottles, plus the spare in
your toolbox, is about the same mass of propane to charge an auto air
conditioner.

You might want to consider the limits of flammability for propane in air.
It takes quite a stroke of luck to get the right proportion from a given
leak rate or given volume of enclosure. The hazard would seem to be quite
comparable to a gasoline fuel system leak.

Propane indeed has its hazards and should be respected, but being
superstitious about it is imprudent.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used in residential refrigerators. Propane is a
kitten compared to that stuff.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:50 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Will Honea writes:

> The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> overnight or longer.


The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
including the fire department, worries about indoors. My lifetime sample
size of a few dozen bottles has displayed a few slow-leakers. Or you just
don't turn the torch off properly. One of those bottles, plus the spare in
your toolbox, is about the same mass of propane to charge an auto air
conditioner.

You might want to consider the limits of flammability for propane in air.
It takes quite a stroke of luck to get the right proportion from a given
leak rate or given volume of enclosure. The hazard would seem to be quite
comparable to a gasoline fuel system leak.

Propane indeed has its hazards and should be respected, but being
superstitious about it is imprudent.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used in residential refrigerators. Propane is a
kitten compared to that stuff.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:50 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Will Honea writes:

> The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> overnight or longer.


The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
including the fire department, worries about indoors. My lifetime sample
size of a few dozen bottles has displayed a few slow-leakers. Or you just
don't turn the torch off properly. One of those bottles, plus the spare in
your toolbox, is about the same mass of propane to charge an auto air
conditioner.

You might want to consider the limits of flammability for propane in air.
It takes quite a stroke of luck to get the right proportion from a given
leak rate or given volume of enclosure. The hazard would seem to be quite
comparable to a gasoline fuel system leak.

Propane indeed has its hazards and should be respected, but being
superstitious about it is imprudent.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used in residential refrigerators. Propane is a
kitten compared to that stuff.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:56 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Mike Romain writes:

> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.


Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
proper burner is actually quite hard to design.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:56 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Mike Romain writes:

> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.


Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
proper burner is actually quite hard to design.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:56 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Mike Romain writes:

> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.


Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
proper burner is actually quite hard to design.

Richard J Kinch 06-01-2007 08:56 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Mike Romain writes:

> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.


Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
proper burner is actually quite hard to design.

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 10:06 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Mike Romain writes:
>
>> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

>
> Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
> proper burner is actually quite hard to design.



You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
'that' bad.....

I'll bet if you Google hit it there would be lots too.

Mike

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 10:06 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Mike Romain writes:
>
>> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

>
> Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
> proper burner is actually quite hard to design.



You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
'that' bad.....

I'll bet if you Google hit it there would be lots too.

Mike

Mike Romain 06-01-2007 10:06 PM

Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
 
Richard J Kinch wrote:
> Mike Romain writes:
>
>> Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

>
> Not likely. Only in certain narrow limits, 2 to 10 percent for propane. A
> proper burner is actually quite hard to design.



You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
'that' bad.....

I'll bet if you Google hit it there would be lots too.

Mike


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:18 PM.


© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

Page generated in 0.11846 seconds with 4 queries