In article <MPG.20ca9f11748fa9a6989694@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
> kinch@truetex.com says...
> > Will Honea writes:
> >
> > > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > > overnight or longer.
> >
> > The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> > including the fire department, worries about indoors.
>
> Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
> me you feel safe.
>
>
> Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
> and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
> in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
> and the dangers of HC's remain.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...61.html?page=3
> > &c=y
>
> > http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov
>
> > The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> > your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> > noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> > he thought he was as smart as snoball also;
>
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg
>
> kudos to aarcuda for the research
> ---------------------------------------

To be honest, it's for my own selfish reasons...

I like my hair and my eyeballs right where they are now!

In case Snobomb couldn't figure out how to make the movie play;

That really was a FIREBALL.
It really did BLOW the windows out of the car.
That really was BLOOD streaming down that guys face.
Those really were BANDAGES on that guys hands.
It really was a MIRACLE that no one lost an eye.
They really WERE demonstrating how safe HC refrigerants are. (not)
YOU really ARE giving out foolish and hazardous advice.

 

In article <MPG.20ca9f11748fa9a6989694@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
> kinch@truetex.com says...
> > Will Honea writes:
> >
> > > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > > overnight or longer.
> >
> > The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> > including the fire department, worries about indoors.
>
> Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
> me you feel safe.
>
>
> Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
> and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
> in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
> and the dangers of HC's remain.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...61.html?page=3
> > &c=y
>
> > http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov
>
> > The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> > your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> > noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> > he thought he was as smart as snoball also;
>
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg
>
> kudos to aarcuda for the research
> ---------------------------------------

To be honest, it's for my own selfish reasons...

I like my hair and my eyeballs right where they are now!

In case Snobomb couldn't figure out how to make the movie play;

That really was a FIREBALL.
It really did BLOW the windows out of the car.
That really was BLOOD streaming down that guys face.
Those really were BANDAGES on that guys hands.
It really was a MIRACLE that no one lost an eye.
They really WERE demonstrating how safe HC refrigerants are. (not)
YOU really ARE giving out foolish and hazardous advice.

 

In article <MPG.20ca9f11748fa9a6989694@news-server.woh.rr.com>,
Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9942D40F0A9F9someconundrum@216.196.97.131>,
> kinch@truetex.com says...
> > Will Honea writes:
> >
> > > The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> > > but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> > > overnight or longer.
> >
> > The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
> > including the fire department, worries about indoors.
>
> Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell
> me you feel safe.
>
>
> Snoball has had his *** handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already
> and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs
> in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change
> and the dangers of HC's remain.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...61.html?page=3
> > &c=y
>
> > http://www.vasa.org.au/images/movies/hc_demo.mov
>
> > The following pictures are a result of what happens when you fill
> > your system with HC and things go awry under hood. it should be
> > noted that the owner of this truck _is_ an AC service technician,
> > he thought he was as smart as snoball also;
>
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...ressor%202.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...densor%201.jpg
> > http://members.shaw.ca/ronhovestad/P...from%20top.jpg
>
> kudos to aarcuda for the research
> ---------------------------------------

To be honest, it's for my own selfish reasons...

I like my hair and my eyeballs right where they are now!

In case Snobomb couldn't figure out how to make the movie play;

That really was a FIREBALL.
It really did BLOW the windows out of the car.
That really was BLOOD streaming down that guys face.
Those really were BANDAGES on that guys hands.
It really was a MIRACLE that no one lost an eye.
They really WERE demonstrating how safe HC refrigerants are. (not)
YOU really ARE giving out foolish and hazardous advice.

 

Mike Romain writes:

> You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
> and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
> leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
> like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
> 'that' bad.

A big tank of propane can leak and ramp up the concentration through the
explosive range. So just about any fast leak rate has the potential to
become explosive. A smaller mass, such as in an A/C system charge,
requires an unfortunate confluence of factors to result in a similar
disaster.

Having experienced a small "whump" once, I'm not inclined to risk it. An
odd thing to be suddenly disoriented and smelling your own hair on fire.

 

Mike Romain writes:

> You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
> and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
> leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
> like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
> 'that' bad.

A big tank of propane can leak and ramp up the concentration through the
explosive range. So just about any fast leak rate has the potential to
become explosive. A smaller mass, such as in an A/C system charge,
requires an unfortunate confluence of factors to result in a similar
disaster.

Having experienced a small "whump" once, I'm not inclined to risk it. An
odd thing to be suddenly disoriented and smelling your own hair on fire.

 

Mike Romain writes:

> You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
> and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
> leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
> like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
> 'that' bad.

A big tank of propane can leak and ramp up the concentration through the
explosive range. So just about any fast leak rate has the potential to
become explosive. A smaller mass, such as in an A/C system charge,
requires an unfortunate confluence of factors to result in a similar
disaster.

Having experienced a small "whump" once, I'm not inclined to risk it. An
odd thing to be suddenly disoriented and smelling your own hair on fire.

 

Mike Romain writes:

> You know what, I have seen a whole bunch of blown campers from propane
> and have friend that lost parents from a propane bottle in the back seat
> leak, know folks that survived one with the top of the camper opened
> like a sardine can, deaf and burned, but alive, so the odds aren't
> 'that' bad.

A big tank of propane can leak and ramp up the concentration through the
explosive range. So just about any fast leak rate has the potential to
become explosive. A smaller mass, such as in an A/C system charge,
requires an unfortunate confluence of factors to result in a similar
disaster.

Having experienced a small "whump" once, I'm not inclined to risk it. An
odd thing to be suddenly disoriented and smelling your own hair on fire.

 

Hey Abom69, I only had to read the first 20 posts to realize the idiots are
still here. Spdloader, ANY type of combustible gas is BAD for ac or
refrigeration in a public area.
Now then, Dude, you don't need to retrofit, there is a gas called mp39. its
a direct drop in for r12. its about 80% of the normal r12 charge. find it,
fill it, drive it. no other mods to do.
to all, there are alot of gases that have the same properties as a
refrigerant, which makes them a refrigerant. anything (gases) chemicals that
boil at a low temp and can be compressed are refrigerants. some are better
than others with their cooling capacities, and then there are those that are
toxic and flamable. A ideal refrigerant has low toxicity and low flamability.
Propane is neither, but has good refrigerant capacity.

Dude, find the mp39 and youll be happy. its a direct drop in, and I would
have to check, but off the top of my head, I believe it had better cooling
capacity per pound...




abomb69 wrote:
>Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee
>and I dont want to retrofit it.

 

Hey Abom69, I only had to read the first 20 posts to realize the idiots are
still here. Spdloader, ANY type of combustible gas is BAD for ac or
refrigeration in a public area.
Now then, Dude, you don't need to retrofit, there is a gas called mp39. its
a direct drop in for r12. its about 80% of the normal r12 charge. find it,
fill it, drive it. no other mods to do.
to all, there are alot of gases that have the same properties as a
refrigerant, which makes them a refrigerant. anything (gases) chemicals that
boil at a low temp and can be compressed are refrigerants. some are better
than others with their cooling capacities, and then there are those that are
toxic and flamable. A ideal refrigerant has low toxicity and low flamability.
Propane is neither, but has good refrigerant capacity.

Dude, find the mp39 and youll be happy. its a direct drop in, and I would
have to check, but off the top of my head, I believe it had better cooling
capacity per pound...




abomb69 wrote:
>Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee
>and I dont want to retrofit it.

 

Hey Abom69, I only had to read the first 20 posts to realize the idiots are
still here. Spdloader, ANY type of combustible gas is BAD for ac or
refrigeration in a public area.
Now then, Dude, you don't need to retrofit, there is a gas called mp39. its
a direct drop in for r12. its about 80% of the normal r12 charge. find it,
fill it, drive it. no other mods to do.
to all, there are alot of gases that have the same properties as a
refrigerant, which makes them a refrigerant. anything (gases) chemicals that
boil at a low temp and can be compressed are refrigerants. some are better
than others with their cooling capacities, and then there are those that are
toxic and flamable. A ideal refrigerant has low toxicity and low flamability.
Propane is neither, but has good refrigerant capacity.

Dude, find the mp39 and youll be happy. its a direct drop in, and I would
have to check, but off the top of my head, I believe it had better cooling
capacity per pound...




abomb69 wrote:
>Anyone know were I can get R-12 Freon ? I want to recharge my 93 Cherokee
>and I dont want to retrofit it.