SnoMan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>> Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>> You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>> And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>> when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>
.. R12a and propane is not
> toxic in native state and the only way breathing it can harm you is if
> you breath it pure and there is no oxygen with it and to slowly expire
> from lack of oxygen.

You are a stupid ----.

Jeep AC systems leak into the cab.

The OP has a leaky one.

Isobutane and propane 'EXPLODE' in the presence of a spark or flame.

What part of that are you missing?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.

The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.


That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.

The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.


That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.

The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.


That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...

 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:7651635sbvtl2d4tk2csum4voiaoup4h3q@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:01:12 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Yo SnoJob, another of your seriously mentally deficient statements.
>>
>>Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane?
>>
>>You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place!
>>
>>And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights
>>when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC?
>
> Magic Mike with the 3.31 power gears, lift and bigger tires and the
> 5speed with 4 usable gears and also recommands burning rubber in
> reverse to remove drive line bind in 4x4 drive.Also is finatical about
> beeing able to shift into 4x4 drive at high speeds (ego) and use 4lo a
> lot (because of his great power gears he needs to a lot) There is few
> here that preach more tripe than him.

The trouble is, all of his stuff works. Personally, I think that all that is
needed is to shift into Reverse and back up a bit, but Mike likes to use a
little more flair. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it is a bit excessive if
you ask me. But, shifting into 4WD at speed is always a useful thing, and is
far better than stopping to shift into 4WD -- which is completely
unnecessary.

Mike tends to use LO range more than I, but he is doing stuff where he needs
power, I do stuff where I need extremely low speeds, that's
E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y low speeds.




He shows you extreme lack of
> knowledge everytime he blows his cool. BTW, there are many big
> commercail coolers/chillers that use Propane for cooling and have for
> many years.


That may be true, but there is no known (by me) automotive application where
propane is used for cooling.

Add your comment in another thread about using the Parking Brake as the only
available braking system for a jaunt across town to affect repairs on the
failed braking system, and as far I can tell, Mike gives better and more
reliable advice than you have ever given. Bar none.

Me thinks the lack of practical knowledge falls in your court ...

 

Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>


SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

 

Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>


SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

 

Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>


SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

 

Craig Christian wrote:
> nrs wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps donīt have no stinkin' air conditioning.
>> Ha, ha. ;-) Ok, sorry, I just couldn't resist!
>>
>> Seriously though, if you are in a hot area you may be close to the US/
>> Mexico border. Just take a trip south and get it.
>
>
>
> There's a reason it's illegal. And it's a *good* reason. There are
> alternatives that are less destructive.
>
> Come on. Be good to the Earth. It's the only one.
>
>
> :-)
> Craig C.
>


SNORT! Yeah, there is a reason it's illegal alright, Duponts patent ran
out so anyone could make the stuff, that's why it was so cheap. So this
scare got cooked up that Freon was destroying the planet and it got
banned and replaced by another Dupont product with a fresh patent.

Around the time that patent runs out we'll see them start to ban 134a
and require the use of yet another refrigerant.

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but I believe this one.

Jeff DeWitt

 

Will Honea writes:

> The more immediate problem is not a leak under the hood or in an accident
> but that of a slow leak in an enclosed area such as a garage when parked
> overnight or longer.

The same might be said of the 13 oz propane torch bottles that nobody,
including the fire department, worries about indoors. My lifetime sample
size of a few dozen bottles has displayed a few slow-leakers. Or you just
don't turn the torch off properly. One of those bottles, plus the spare in
your toolbox, is about the same mass of propane to charge an auto air
conditioner.

You might want to consider the limits of flammability for propane in air.
It takes quite a stroke of luck to get the right proportion from a given
leak rate or given volume of enclosure. The hazard would seem to be quite
comparable to a gasoline fuel system leak.

Propane indeed has its hazards and should be respected, but being
superstitious about it is imprudent.

Anhydrous ammonia has been used in residential refrigerators. Propane is a
kitten compared to that stuff.