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Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Nathan W. Collier" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:7Z-dncCqyttG1v3bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@bresnan.com... > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. > > the boiling point is low making it an extremely efficient > refrigerant.....but the potential for DEATH is to high to even consider it > in this type of application. if a leak didnt exist, he wouldnt be needing > refrigerant. knowing there is a leak and even considering a combustible > is foolish at best. > > -- > Nathan In Montana > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com > http://1911Talk.com > http://GlockCarry.com > http://HiPowerTalk.com > I wasn't condoning the use of it Nate, just telling what I saw in my A/C class back in 1987. Incidentally, neither was our instructor, but it was a very informative class. I did learn to mix R12 with R22 like in some of the old Volvo cars. By the way, when you coming back home? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12
> thats just not true sir. while using propane in either system (for this
> application) is indeed nothing short of stupid, there are many compatible > refrigerants that will work as well (and in most cases, _better_) in either > application. Really? Who aside from maybe one shop in a given location will service it? Totally defeats the purpose of using the cheaper refrigerant when the one service shop that can service it will no doubt rape you. In article <LZSdncGUXI5W0P3bnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@bresnan.com>, asdf@asdf.com says... > "abomb69" <abuse@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:zAX7i.12905$RX.6396@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t... > > all I want to do is refill the system with R-12, it currently still works, > > just isnt very cold. > > you will pay more to top off your system with 12 than you would pay to Really? R12 is no more than 20 bucks a can, 5 bucks or so at flea markets. Maybe I should send my conversion work to you since you work so cheap. > convert it over to 134a. not only would it be cheaper, but the handy dandy > conversion kit includes a form of "leak stopper" that works surprisingly > well IF your leak is due to gasket failure. Yeah it works suprisingly well on everything else inside the system as well. Repost of something I wrote a few days ago: ------------------ The only thing I would try a can of Refrigerant with leak sealer in is something that I know is on its last legs and will be taken to the junk yard within 2 years. (IOW if you want to risk never having a working a/c system again, have at it.) I dread working on cars with that sh** in it. I don't like hooking my service equipment up to even when I have special filters attached that strip it out. (I do charge more if I detect it) In my strong opinion all that crap does is gum things up and run the cost of real service and repair up. A must read! http://www.motor.com/MAGAZINE/Pdf/042003_04.pdf ------------------ Most shops will turn you down if they find sealant in the ac system. > dont worry about the loss of > efficiency. make sure that both your condensor and evaporator are clean and > the actual difference at the vent temp should only vary a few degrees. > > ....otherwise flash it with r414b. i normally dont recommend flashing but > in this case i will. And what is all of this going to cost him? From what I can tell you intend on him venting all of this stuff since I doubt he owns any recovery equipment... |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
Re: I need R-12= WARNING DEADLY ADVICE INSIDE!
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote in message news:MPG.20ca003ee2ea5ef8989691@news-server.woh.rr.com... > In article <4660300f$0$4694$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com says... >> >> > >> > Why not just tell him to fill it with freaking propane? >> > >> > You are once AGAIN giving life threatening advice in a public place! >> > >> > And 'you' have the nerve to call me on total -------- about pool lights >> > when you advocate an explosive gas in the AC? >> > >> >> Mike, >> Just a little tidbit of info. >> When I was in A/C school sponsored by Toyota in the mid-80's, we made A/C >> work with a number of things you wouldn't normally use as refrigerants. >> Propane was among them, and the best of all of them. >> Would it be dangerous? Who knows. Probably. But there's already >> pressurized >> gasoline under the hood of most vehicles, so it's already a dangerous >> environment. > > Can you find a modern car today with the fuel tank in the passenger > cabin? > > Can you find fuel lines running through the passenger cabing? > > Do you smoke? What happens if someone lights up a cigarette with a > evaporator leaking hc's into the cabin? > > Have you seen evaporators, condensers, compressors, and the passenger > cabin after a propane a/c system explosion? Its like turning your a/c > system into an IED. Its real easy for the pressures to get out of hand. > Not only do you endanger people inside the car but you also endanger > anyone working on or around the car. Especially anyone trying to service > the car. That compressor and condensor would go off like a grenade. > Running anything other than r12 in a r12 system or 134a in a 134a system > is nothing short of stupid. > Were you replying to me? Spdloader |
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