Earle Horton

You stated that electric heat could be used for the cabin heat, which is not
non-essential. I would like to see the look on your face, when you realize
that you can't physically fit enough electric heaters in the cabin, to heat
it satisfactorily, let alone powering them. Maybe you will be able to
defrost the windshield with this method, but I doubt it. "Cylinder base
wrench". Now that is something you don't often see in the typical Jeep
workshop! There is plenty of space under the hood with the four cylinder
engine installed. I think that there will be more than enough to fit a
700R4. Have you thought about other "non-essentials" like a power brake
booster? Maybe you can fit a venturi vacuum pump into the exhaust...

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Cylinders need oil too. For $150, heck the starter is probably worth
that.
> > I will be interested to see how it turns out, after the propane
conversion,
> > the ducted cabin heat, and the electric baseboard you plan to install.
> >
>
> No propane, no ducted cabin heat, and no electric baseboard (??). My
> goal is just to get the damned thing going. We'll worry about all
> non-essentials after that.
>
> I just ordered a manual and a cylinder base wrench. I have now more
> than doubled my investment... Should be interesting.
>

Earle Horton

You stated that electric heat could be used for the cabin heat, which is not
non-essential. I would like to see the look on your face, when you realize
that you can't physically fit enough electric heaters in the cabin, to heat
it satisfactorily, let alone powering them. Maybe you will be able to
defrost the windshield with this method, but I doubt it. "Cylinder base
wrench". Now that is something you don't often see in the typical Jeep
workshop! There is plenty of space under the hood with the four cylinder
engine installed. I think that there will be more than enough to fit a
700R4. Have you thought about other "non-essentials" like a power brake
booster? Maybe you can fit a venturi vacuum pump into the exhaust...

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136861236.252330.222370@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Cylinders need oil too. For $150, heck the starter is probably worth
that.
> > I will be interested to see how it turns out, after the propane
conversion,
> > the ducted cabin heat, and the electric baseboard you plan to install.
> >
>
> No propane, no ducted cabin heat, and no electric baseboard (??). My
> goal is just to get the damned thing going. We'll worry about all
> non-essentials after that.
>
> I just ordered a manual and a cylinder base wrench. I have now more
> than doubled my investment... Should be interesting.
>

Earle Horton

You stated that electric heat could be used for the cabin heat, which is not
non-essential. I would like to see the look on your face, when you realize
that you can't physically fit enough electric heaters in the cabin, to heat
it satisfactorily, let alone powering them. Maybe you will be able to
defrost the windshield with this method, but I doubt it. "Cylinder base
wrench". Now that is something you don't often see in the typical Jeep
workshop! There is plenty of space under the hood with the four cylinder
engine installed. I think that there will be more than enough to fit a
700R4. Have you thought about other "non-essentials" like a power brake
booster? Maybe you can fit a venturi vacuum pump into the exhaust...

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136861236.252330.222370@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > Cylinders need oil too. For $150, heck the starter is probably worth
that.
> > I will be interested to see how it turns out, after the propane
conversion,
> > the ducted cabin heat, and the electric baseboard you plan to install.
> >
>
> No propane, no ducted cabin heat, and no electric baseboard (??). My
> goal is just to get the damned thing going. We'll worry about all
> non-essentials after that.
>
> I just ordered a manual and a cylinder base wrench. I have now more
> than doubled my investment... Should be interesting.
>

Simon Juncal

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> I just bought a Deutz four cylinder engine. It was on a Morbark type
> machine and some illegal immigrant c********r ran it out of oil. I
> figure the crank will need turning and the cam and lifters will be gone
> but the cylinders probably in good shape. For $150 how wrong could I
> go?
>
> Now all I need is the jeep to put it in. I'm thinking a buggy sprung
> YJ with a bad four cylinder engine and trans would be the best host. I
> can sell the Jeep 4 at least as core. sledgehammer the POS Peugeot
> transmission, but would I be able to use a 700R4 without repositioning
> the T-case?

I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
planning on?

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> I just bought a Deutz four cylinder engine. It was on a Morbark type
> machine and some illegal immigrant c********r ran it out of oil. I
> figure the crank will need turning and the cam and lifters will be gone
> but the cylinders probably in good shape. For $150 how wrong could I
> go?
>
> Now all I need is the jeep to put it in. I'm thinking a buggy sprung
> YJ with a bad four cylinder engine and trans would be the best host. I
> can sell the Jeep 4 at least as core. sledgehammer the POS Peugeot
> transmission, but would I be able to use a 700R4 without repositioning
> the T-case?

I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
planning on?

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> I just bought a Deutz four cylinder engine. It was on a Morbark type
> machine and some illegal immigrant c********r ran it out of oil. I
> figure the crank will need turning and the cam and lifters will be gone
> but the cylinders probably in good shape. For $150 how wrong could I
> go?
>
> Now all I need is the jeep to put it in. I'm thinking a buggy sprung
> YJ with a bad four cylinder engine and trans would be the best host. I
> can sell the Jeep 4 at least as core. sledgehammer the POS Peugeot
> transmission, but would I be able to use a 700R4 without repositioning
> the T-case?

I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
planning on?

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Bret Ludwig

Simon Juncal wrote:
<<snip>>

>
> I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
> vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
> planning on?
>

My new engine is a Deutz four cylinder FL 912 that in vehicle trim
puts out around 100 hp. Weight is heavy-it weighs at least as much as a
SBC when stripped down to vehicle configuration. I bought it as kind of
a wild hair thing.

Vehicle heat will have to come from a fuel-fired heater if a lot is
wanted. An oil radiator can be used to replace the vehicle heater core
and electric heat is possible, but to get enough heat for satisfactory
use you need 3 to 5 KW in really cold climates, which means a road
coach alternator. Breadvans with Deutzes use either a South Wind heater
or both the oil core and electric heat.

Brake boost is no problem-you either fit the power-steering-pump
booster or a vacuum pump. There is a Cadillac part that's about $80 all
the street rodders and IH Scout Diesel owners with dead alternator vac
pumps use.

Originally I wanted a good 5 or 6 spewed manual but now I am thinking
a 700R4 auto is going to be the simple and cheap way to go. I haven't
got the host vehicle yet-a TJ is a better Jeep than a YJ but I can get
a YJ really cheap. One thing is certain, the Peugeot wouldn't last five
minutes.

It should be fun. The big question is, did a bearing spin and if so,
will I be able to get my block linebored satisfactorily? I'm waiting
to get the book before tearing in blindly.

Bret Ludwig

Simon Juncal wrote:
<<snip>>

>
> I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
> vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
> planning on?
>

My new engine is a Deutz four cylinder FL 912 that in vehicle trim
puts out around 100 hp. Weight is heavy-it weighs at least as much as a
SBC when stripped down to vehicle configuration. I bought it as kind of
a wild hair thing.

Vehicle heat will have to come from a fuel-fired heater if a lot is
wanted. An oil radiator can be used to replace the vehicle heater core
and electric heat is possible, but to get enough heat for satisfactory
use you need 3 to 5 KW in really cold climates, which means a road
coach alternator. Breadvans with Deutzes use either a South Wind heater
or both the oil core and electric heat.

Brake boost is no problem-you either fit the power-steering-pump
booster or a vacuum pump. There is a Cadillac part that's about $80 all
the street rodders and IH Scout Diesel owners with dead alternator vac
pumps use.

Originally I wanted a good 5 or 6 spewed manual but now I am thinking
a 700R4 auto is going to be the simple and cheap way to go. I haven't
got the host vehicle yet-a TJ is a better Jeep than a YJ but I can get
a YJ really cheap. One thing is certain, the Peugeot wouldn't last five
minutes.

It should be fun. The big question is, did a bearing spin and if so,
will I be able to get my block linebored satisfactorily? I'm waiting
to get the book before tearing in blindly.

Bret Ludwig

Simon Juncal wrote:
<<snip>>

>
> I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
> vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
> planning on?
>

My new engine is a Deutz four cylinder FL 912 that in vehicle trim
puts out around 100 hp. Weight is heavy-it weighs at least as much as a
SBC when stripped down to vehicle configuration. I bought it as kind of
a wild hair thing.

Vehicle heat will have to come from a fuel-fired heater if a lot is
wanted. An oil radiator can be used to replace the vehicle heater core
and electric heat is possible, but to get enough heat for satisfactory
use you need 3 to 5 KW in really cold climates, which means a road
coach alternator. Breadvans with Deutzes use either a South Wind heater
or both the oil core and electric heat.

Brake boost is no problem-you either fit the power-steering-pump
booster or a vacuum pump. There is a Cadillac part that's about $80 all
the street rodders and IH Scout Diesel owners with dead alternator vac
pumps use.

Originally I wanted a good 5 or 6 spewed manual but now I am thinking
a 700R4 auto is going to be the simple and cheap way to go. I haven't
got the host vehicle yet-a TJ is a better Jeep than a YJ but I can get
a YJ really cheap. One thing is certain, the Peugeot wouldn't last five
minutes.

It should be fun. The big question is, did a bearing spin and if so,
will I be able to get my block linebored satisfactorily? I'm waiting
to get the book before tearing in blindly.

Earle Horton

Bret,

I think the big question, is the price of a set of pistons and cylinders or
liners. The cylinders are going to miss oil, long before the crank will.
You are wasting your time even thinking about an oil radiator. All it will
do, is cool your oil below the point where water evaporates. Then your sump
is going to be an acid sludge generating facility. You are finally
beginning to see the light on the electric heat issue. A bread van has to
have a lot more than 100 hp. Don't think that you can ***** nilly adapt all
bread van technology to the Jeep.

Earle

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
> <<snip>>
>
> >
> > I know I've seen you talking about diesel swaps before. What are the
> > vital stats on the Deutz HP and Torque? what transmission are you
> > planning on?
> >
>
> My new engine is a Deutz four cylinder FL 912 that in vehicle trim
> puts out around 100 hp. Weight is heavy-it weighs at least as much as a
> SBC when stripped down to vehicle configuration. I bought it as kind of
> a wild hair thing.
>
> Vehicle heat will have to come from a fuel-fired heater if a lot is
> wanted. An oil radiator can be used to replace the vehicle heater core
> and electric heat is possible, but to get enough heat for satisfactory
> use you need 3 to 5 KW in really cold climates, which means a road
> coach alternator. Breadvans with Deutzes use either a South Wind heater
> or both the oil core and electric heat.
>
> Brake boost is no problem-you either fit the power-steering-pump
> booster or a vacuum pump. There is a Cadillac part that's about $80 all
> the street rodders and IH Scout Diesel owners with dead alternator vac
> pumps use.
>
> Originally I wanted a good 5 or 6 spewed manual but now I am thinking
> a 700R4 auto is going to be the simple and cheap way to go. I haven't
> got the host vehicle yet-a TJ is a better Jeep than a YJ but I can get
> a YJ really cheap. One thing is certain, the Peugeot wouldn't last five
> minutes.
>
> It should be fun. The big question is, did a bearing spin and if so,
> will I be able to get my block linebored satisfactorily? I'm waiting
> to get the book before tearing in blindly.
>