i am new
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
07-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: i am new
stephenbuddrus@gmail.com wrote:
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> i am new to the jeep community and i have been looking for a wile, and
> have wonderd what is prefered by jeep owners when it comes to a trany,
> standard or automatic???
>
Welcome to Jeeping!
Both types of trannies are 'preferred', which do 'you' prefer..... LOL!
Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
running from what I have seen, more than once....
An auto costs in gas mileage also.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
07-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
07-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
07-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
07-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Re: i am new
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
>
>Both are 'very' bad for water crossing because Jeep in it's wisdumb
>didn't put high water vents on the tranny, only stoopid button vents. A
>standard can be modified with vent hoses 'much' easier than an automatic....
THis is partially true but a manual is not much more immune to the
effect of deep water than a automatis. Actuall auto matic tend to be a
bit better stock because it has a pressure vent that open under
pressure not just a air vent like most manuals. The main reason why
trannies take on water is because when they are hot abd cooled
suddenly in water this cools the air in them suddne which cause a
pressure drop and cause water to be sucked into tranny and sometimes
even past seals.
>
>Both can be emptied out and refilled after though and still keep on
>running from what I have seen, more than once....
Best to take PROPER steps to keep it out to bengin with
>
>An auto costs in gas mileage also.
THis is not realy true musch any more as some modern 4 and more speed
automatic can get as good of MPG as a stick and automatic tend to be
more consistant with MPG too. A Maunal can give you better speed
controll under some conditions off road because you do not have the
converter stall making things "sloppy" at lower speeds. Automatic are
more forgiving with big tires and stock gears because of torque
converter helping in launch and theycan muiltpy torque up to 2x and
more in gear while a manual does not multiply anything slipping
clutch.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
07-16-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: i am new
SnoMan wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>> really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
>
> This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
> selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
> bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing,
you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half
way up.
An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can
get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill,
the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes.
I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying
and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually.
They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys
to help avoid this.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:19:46 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Having no clutch in nice in traffic and when rock crawling, but is not
>> really nice if sand pit wall climbing due to uncontrolled downshifting.
>
> This is bizarre, uncontolled down shifing? Maybe if you never use gear
> selector but since when is being able to downshift UNDER POWER in snad
> bad??? Maybe it is better to just bog ot with a stick at times.
Unlike you, we off road. When sand pit wall or ravine wall climbing,
you need steady power, momentum and torque, you cannot shift gears half
way up.
An automatic when put into 2nd to limit that one down shift at least can
get up the speed to have some momentum, but then halfway up the hill,
the sucker downshifts and the Jeep just stops and digs holes.
I have many photos of the poor folks with automatics trying and trying
and trying to get up the pit walls. The have to go around usually.
They make a kit to lock out first gear for some of the automatic trannys
to help avoid this.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)