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Failed Philosopher 07-04-2004 07:41 PM

HUMMER
 
Hello all,

i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
group so, please forgive the intrusion...

what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
these days, is diesel the way to go?

thank for any help at all.

jf


DougW 07-04-2004 08:00 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Failed Philosopher did pass the time by typing:
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?


oh boy, oh boy... just jump in and open that can of worms why don't ya? :)

Modern engines don't require much if any maintenance and diesel engines
even less. Just oil changes. With the diesel you don't have spark plugs,
distributors, or any of that stuff. Warm up times are almost identical now
unless you live some place real cold.

It's more a buyer preference. I know folks with the 3.4 ton diesel pickups
and they love them.

Given the choice I'd be shopping performance and fuel economy. With the
preference given to performance.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 07-04-2004 08:00 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Failed Philosopher did pass the time by typing:
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?


oh boy, oh boy... just jump in and open that can of worms why don't ya? :)

Modern engines don't require much if any maintenance and diesel engines
even less. Just oil changes. With the diesel you don't have spark plugs,
distributors, or any of that stuff. Warm up times are almost identical now
unless you live some place real cold.

It's more a buyer preference. I know folks with the 3.4 ton diesel pickups
and they love them.

Given the choice I'd be shopping performance and fuel economy. With the
preference given to performance.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 07-04-2004 08:00 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Failed Philosopher did pass the time by typing:
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?


oh boy, oh boy... just jump in and open that can of worms why don't ya? :)

Modern engines don't require much if any maintenance and diesel engines
even less. Just oil changes. With the diesel you don't have spark plugs,
distributors, or any of that stuff. Warm up times are almost identical now
unless you live some place real cold.

It's more a buyer preference. I know folks with the 3.4 ton diesel pickups
and they love them.

Given the choice I'd be shopping performance and fuel economy. With the
preference given to performance.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



DougW 07-04-2004 08:00 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Failed Philosopher did pass the time by typing:
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?


oh boy, oh boy... just jump in and open that can of worms why don't ya? :)

Modern engines don't require much if any maintenance and diesel engines
even less. Just oil changes. With the diesel you don't have spark plugs,
distributors, or any of that stuff. Warm up times are almost identical now
unless you live some place real cold.

It's more a buyer preference. I know folks with the 3.4 ton diesel pickups
and they love them.

Given the choice I'd be shopping performance and fuel economy. With the
preference given to performance.

--
-- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.cox.net/wilsond
HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!



L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-04-2004 08:20 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
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Stop by your local auto parts store, and ask the counter person for
the repair manuals you will need.
Here is California diesel is higher priced than regular.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Failed Philosopher wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?
>
> thank for any help at all.
>
> jf


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-04-2004 08:20 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Subscribe to alt.autos.makes.hummer
Stop by your local auto parts store, and ask the counter person for
the repair manuals you will need.
Here is California diesel is higher priced than regular.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Failed Philosopher wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?
>
> thank for any help at all.
>
> jf


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-04-2004 08:20 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Subscribe to alt.autos.makes.hummer
Stop by your local auto parts store, and ask the counter person for
the repair manuals you will need.
Here is California diesel is higher priced than regular.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Failed Philosopher wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?
>
> thank for any help at all.
>
> jf


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 07-04-2004 08:20 PM

Re: HUMMER
 
Subscribe to alt.autos.makes.hummer
Stop by your local auto parts store, and ask the counter person for
the repair manuals you will need.
Here is California diesel is higher priced than regular.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Failed Philosopher wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> i may be a little bit off the newsgroup, but I cannot find any Hummer
> group so, please forgive the intrusion...
>
> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price
> these days, is diesel the way to go?
>
> thank for any help at all.
>
> jf


River Horse 07-05-2004 12:59 AM

Re: HUMMER
 
There are lots of differences. I think a key one that you must deal
with arises from the fact that Diesels have a smaller useable RPM range.
This means more gears in the tranny and more shifting to keep the
engine in the 'sweet' spot. This affects drivability significantly,
especially if you live in urban and/or hilly terrain. This often is
missed in this debate.

The price per mile of Diesel is not all that much different than
gasoline. They are subject to pretty much the same market pressures.
They likely will stay close. Diesel is always harder to find. I sure
would not let this be the main reason to go with Diesel. If fuel costs
are important, buy a small engined Jeep.

The Diesel is heavier. And more expensive.

Diesel engines are more scalable. In fact, the bigger the better. It
is difficult to make a small Diesel since it takes a large displacement
to get the necessary compression ratio.

If fed clean fuel and properly maintained, Diesels tend to go longer
between overhauls. This is really the key for why they are used in most
commercial applications where the engine will be run to overhaul
multiple times before it is retired.

The largest pickups are large enough and need enough power to
successfully mount a Diesel and the pollution laws make it difficult to
field an equivalent amount of power in a gasoline engine. Hummers might
fall into this category.

For most consumers who will get tired of the vehicle and trade it long
before even a gasoline engine needs an overhaul, the Diesel has little
advantage.

Just my $.02 worth, and you didn't even pay that!


> what i need help at is the maintenance difference between a diesel and a
> gasoline engine. Is there a lot of difference? with the high gas price




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