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12-05-2003, 12:51 PM
#6541
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study aboutsafetycanbemisinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Bill Putney wrote:
> The point is simple and clear - you want to re-define the word
> "marriage" to excercise what you feel are your rights. So why can't
> others do the same.
Because in my direction, it removes a denial of equal treatment under the
law that is currently applied to one specific group of people, WITHOUT
affecting or taking away from those who are currently not denied. In your
direction, it codifies the denial towards the specific group, for no
articulable reason more concrete than your alleged discomfort.
DS
> The point is simple and clear - you want to re-define the word
> "marriage" to excercise what you feel are your rights. So why can't
> others do the same.
Because in my direction, it removes a denial of equal treatment under the
law that is currently applied to one specific group of people, WITHOUT
affecting or taking away from those who are currently not denied. In your
direction, it codifies the denial towards the specific group, for no
articulable reason more concrete than your alleged discomfort.
DS
12-05-2003, 12:54 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <i0Mzb.3257$WT6.2551@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"vlj" <v@l.j> wrote in message
> >news:FQrzb.40111$vn.96228@sea-read.news.verio.net...
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> sez:
> >> <snip>
> >> >It is not a marriage. <snip>
> >>
> >> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies. It was
then
> >> co-opted by the church(es). Then governments got into the act when the
> >> church was no longer one in the same as the government.
> >>
> >> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of
property
> >> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter
> >and
> >> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is
most
> >> medieval ...
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like the first lecture in Feminism 101. Talk about dogma! The
> >purpose of marriage, even to patriarchal societies, is still vital for
the
> >purpose of raising children.
> >
>
> As I asked, you'd ban marriage then between people who can't or don't want
to
> have children?
>
> Further, gays can adopt children.
>
No. For the same reasons as argued before. Those cases don't change what
marriage is. Gay marriage does.
> >
> >> VLJ
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
12-05-2003, 12:54 PM
#6543
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqq8pm$ikt$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <i0Mzb.3257$WT6.2551@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"vlj" <v@l.j> wrote in message
> >news:FQrzb.40111$vn.96228@sea-read.news.verio.net...
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> sez:
> >> <snip>
> >> >It is not a marriage. <snip>
> >>
> >> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies. It was
then
> >> co-opted by the church(es). Then governments got into the act when the
> >> church was no longer one in the same as the government.
> >>
> >> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of
property
> >> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter
> >and
> >> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is
most
> >> medieval ...
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like the first lecture in Feminism 101. Talk about dogma! The
> >purpose of marriage, even to patriarchal societies, is still vital for
the
> >purpose of raising children.
> >
>
> As I asked, you'd ban marriage then between people who can't or don't want
to
> have children?
>
> Further, gays can adopt children.
>
No. For the same reasons as argued before. Those cases don't change what
marriage is. Gay marriage does.
> >
> >> VLJ
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
12-05-2003, 12:54 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety canbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bqq8pm$ikt$10@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <i0Mzb.3257$WT6.2551@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"vlj" <v@l.j> wrote in message
> >news:FQrzb.40111$vn.96228@sea-read.news.verio.net...
> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> sez:
> >> <snip>
> >> >It is not a marriage. <snip>
> >>
> >> Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies. It was
then
> >> co-opted by the church(es). Then governments got into the act when the
> >> church was no longer one in the same as the government.
> >>
> >> Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of
property
> >> and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter
> >and
> >> then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is
most
> >> medieval ...
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like the first lecture in Feminism 101. Talk about dogma! The
> >purpose of marriage, even to patriarchal societies, is still vital for
the
> >purpose of raising children.
> >
>
> As I asked, you'd ban marriage then between people who can't or don't want
to
> have children?
>
> Further, gays can adopt children.
>
No. For the same reasons as argued before. Those cases don't change what
marriage is. Gay marriage does.
> >
> >> VLJ
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
12-05-2003, 12:56 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
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<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
12-05-2003, 12:56 PM
#6546
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
12-05-2003, 12:56 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>My Dad was a Veteran Lloyd, he died because the VA cared more about slashing
>costs than providing quality care. Easier, and cheaper, to make an off the
>shoulder diagnosis than to run expensive tests. When he was admitted for
>pnuemonia they finally decided to run some test to see what was causing it
>and found he was riddled with cancer, which any good hospital would have
>detected years earlier. He died 8 days later, at home, even though he begged
>them to let him stay in the hospital. Hospital beds cost money, and they had
>to cut costs, so a dying man was sent home. That is the kind of low quality,
>one kind treats all health system you want Lloyd, and it stinks. Now shut up
>and stop posting your lies and crap on this or any group.
Sounds like the result of a health care system run on a for profit
basis.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail
Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.
12-05-2003, 12:58 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David J. Allen wrote:
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS
12-05-2003, 12:58 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David J. Allen wrote:
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS
12-05-2003, 12:58 PM
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safetycanbe misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David J. Allen wrote:
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS
> > Such authorities on the civil rights struggle for blacks as Coretta Scott
> > King agree with the analogy.
> I don't suppose Clarence Thomas would qualify as a civil rights
> authority. Would he?
Well, let's see. What are Coretta Scott King's qualifications as an
authority on the civil rights struggle for blacks? Her credentials, her
track record and experience and that of her late husband.
What are Clarence Thomas' qualifications? The color of his skin...?
DS