Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#5091
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
> >>>You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>>China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Like asking why is oil consumed in the US more wasteful than oil
consumed in
>
> >>China? Ans -- because we consume more, and more per capita.
> >
> >In this case, per capita is irrelevant. If the problem is that we're
> >putting out X tons of CO2 annually to produce a widget,
>
> How about x tons to drive a 6000-lb SUV? Or to produce electricity for
things
> like game playing and automatic can openers? Just look at the energy we
> waste, and since most of it comes from fossil fuels, there goes more CO2.
>
How about answering the question! He's right on the money.
And talk about waste, do *you* ride a bike to work? Do you take a bus?
Drive a hybrid? Ride a horse? Do you have a garage door opener? An electric
can opener? A stereo system? An air conditioner? A television (a big
"SUV" style TV)? A large monitor on your computer? More than one computer?
Do you have solar panels? Toilet paper from recycled fibers? A chandelier?
A single low watt light bulb per room?
How far back should we go so you can say there's no waste? Should
government mandate consumption? Does everything I do in my life over riding
a horse for transportation or using anything electric affect the air you
breathe to the point that the government must protect you against the
polluction produced by my consumption? How much?
>
> >how is it
> >improving anything on a global scale if we move production to China,
> >where looser pollution controls mean that creating a widget now puts
> >out anywhere from 1.5X to 2X tons of CO2 yet a greater population base
> >means that the per capita numbers are lower?
Lloyd's answer: Blame SUV's.
#5092
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
> >>>You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>>China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Like asking why is oil consumed in the US more wasteful than oil
consumed in
>
> >>China? Ans -- because we consume more, and more per capita.
> >
> >In this case, per capita is irrelevant. If the problem is that we're
> >putting out X tons of CO2 annually to produce a widget,
>
> How about x tons to drive a 6000-lb SUV? Or to produce electricity for
things
> like game playing and automatic can openers? Just look at the energy we
> waste, and since most of it comes from fossil fuels, there goes more CO2.
>
How about answering the question! He's right on the money.
And talk about waste, do *you* ride a bike to work? Do you take a bus?
Drive a hybrid? Ride a horse? Do you have a garage door opener? An electric
can opener? A stereo system? An air conditioner? A television (a big
"SUV" style TV)? A large monitor on your computer? More than one computer?
Do you have solar panels? Toilet paper from recycled fibers? A chandelier?
A single low watt light bulb per room?
How far back should we go so you can say there's no waste? Should
government mandate consumption? Does everything I do in my life over riding
a horse for transportation or using anything electric affect the air you
breathe to the point that the government must protect you against the
polluction produced by my consumption? How much?
>
> >how is it
> >improving anything on a global scale if we move production to China,
> >where looser pollution controls mean that creating a widget now puts
> >out anywhere from 1.5X to 2X tons of CO2 yet a greater population base
> >means that the per capita numbers are lower?
Lloyd's answer: Blame SUV's.
#5093
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
The pollution in China is way worse than here. Smog is choking.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
The pollution in China is way worse than here. Smog is choking.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bq8e3k$rm0$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
The pollution in China is way worse than here. Smog is choking.
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
Why not have everyone quiet down? Hmm. I wonder?
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bq8e3k$rm0$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
Why not have everyone quiet down? Hmm. I wonder?
#5098
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bq8e3k$rm0$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
Why not have everyone quiet down? Hmm. I wonder?
#5099
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bq8e3k$rm0$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
Isn't your goal reducing *worldwide* emissions? How does shuffling it
around to 3rd world countries help?
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bq8e3k$rm0$2@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <6d93cbd689da1a9b29073109fae98889@news.teranews.co m>,
> Brandon Sommerville <grimrod@mindless.com.gov> wrote:
> >On 28 Nov 2003 11:05:34 -0800, gzuckier@yahoo.com (z) wrote:
> >
> >>tetraethyllead@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in message
> news:<qG3xb.234391$275.877138@attbi_s53>...
> >>> In article <b5b4685f.0311260646.46221fd1@posting.google.com >, z wrote:
> >
> >>> You put down alot of words but say nothing. Why is CO2 released in
> >>> China less harmful than CO2 released in the USA?
> >>
> >>Cause there's less of it?
> >>It's like the guy with the huge boombox on wheels car stereo
> >>complaining it's unfair he has to keep it down when his neighbor
> >>doesn't have to muffle his 2 inch wind chimes. After all, it's all
> >>noise.
> >
> >Not quite the same. If noise released is the problem, how is it
> >better to release the same noise in a different location?
>
> China releases less "noise", by far. Which is why most people are
> concentrating on the largest releasers of "noise" first.
>
Isn't your goal reducing *worldwide* emissions? How does shuffling it
around to 3rd world countries help?