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#4461
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <su8ub.5087$Rk5.2701@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
"FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
>> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
>> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
>> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
>they
>> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
>US,
>> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
>> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
>this
>> >> > > is history.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
>> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
>> >book
>> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
>> >>
>> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
>in
>> >> Iran.
>> >
>> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
>as
>> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>>
>>
>> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>>
>> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
>> >the government is wrong.
>>
>>
>> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>>
>> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
>> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
>a
>> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
>onset
>> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
>with
>> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
>it
>> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
>US).
>>
>>
>> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
>to
>> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
>
>
>Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
>Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
>had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
>
>
At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
"FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
>> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
>> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
>> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
>they
>> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
>US,
>> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
>> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
>this
>> >> > > is history.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
>> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
>> >book
>> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
>> >>
>> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
>in
>> >> Iran.
>> >
>> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
>as
>> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>>
>>
>> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>>
>> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
>> >the government is wrong.
>>
>>
>> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>>
>> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
>> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
>a
>> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
>onset
>> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
>with
>> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
>it
>> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
>US).
>>
>>
>> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
>to
>> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
>
>
>Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
>Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
>had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
>
>
At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
#4462
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <su8ub.5087$Rk5.2701@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink. net>,
"FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
>> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
>> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
>> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
>they
>> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
>US,
>> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
>> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
>this
>> >> > > is history.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
>> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
>> >book
>> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
>> >>
>> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
>in
>> >> Iran.
>> >
>> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
>as
>> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>>
>>
>> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>>
>> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
>> >the government is wrong.
>>
>>
>> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>>
>> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
>> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
>a
>> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
>onset
>> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
>with
>> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
>it
>> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
>US).
>>
>>
>> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
>to
>> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
>
>
>Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
>Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
>had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
>
>
At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
"FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
>> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
>> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
>> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
>> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
>they
>> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
>US,
>> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
>> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
>this
>> >> > > is history.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
>> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
>> >book
>> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
>> >>
>> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
>in
>> >> Iran.
>> >
>> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
>as
>> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>>
>>
>> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>>
>> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
>> >the government is wrong.
>>
>>
>> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>>
>> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
>> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
>a
>> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
>onset
>> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
>with
>> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
>it
>> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
>US).
>>
>>
>> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
>to
>> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
>
>
>Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
>Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
>had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
>
>
At least the Dems didn't have a Chinese spy on the payroll!
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
Let's just say that in America, the voters are pandered to. They weren't so
much in Iran. With the constitutional monarchy, certain groups had power
and others didn't. The clergy were out of the loop with both Prime Minister
and the Shah. Now it's the other way around.
In the US, corporations have self interest to be sure. Nothing wrong with
that. Not everything they want is bad or evil either as the anti-globalists
would have you believe. Even Democrats know that, though you wouldn't think
that by listening to their rhetoric.
The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
enterprise.
>
> > Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
You cannot dismiss the US side of the Cold War as a mere phobia or an
irrational fear. FromWWII to the 60's the USSR gained in military power to
the point that the US couldn't defeat them on the battlefield (Western
Europe) except to use nuclear weapons. The Soviets were so aggressive at
the time that our good friend Charles de Gaul pleaded with the US to promise
to use nukes as a first strike if the Soviets invaded Europe.
Communism doesn't work and can only persist by force. It stifles the
creation of wealth and in the end everyone is equally poor and miserable
except for a few connected to the party elite. The Soviets made no secret
of their intent to bring about revolution in the 3rd world: Southeast Asia,
Latin America and the Caribbean, the Middle East and Africa. They made no
secret of their intent to retake West Berlin. Phobia not required to be
worried.
#4464
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
Let's just say that in America, the voters are pandered to. They weren't so
much in Iran. With the constitutional monarchy, certain groups had power
and others didn't. The clergy were out of the loop with both Prime Minister
and the Shah. Now it's the other way around.
In the US, corporations have self interest to be sure. Nothing wrong with
that. Not everything they want is bad or evil either as the anti-globalists
would have you believe. Even Democrats know that, though you wouldn't think
that by listening to their rhetoric.
The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
enterprise.
>
> > Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
You cannot dismiss the US side of the Cold War as a mere phobia or an
irrational fear. FromWWII to the 60's the USSR gained in military power to
the point that the US couldn't defeat them on the battlefield (Western
Europe) except to use nuclear weapons. The Soviets were so aggressive at
the time that our good friend Charles de Gaul pleaded with the US to promise
to use nukes as a first strike if the Soviets invaded Europe.
Communism doesn't work and can only persist by force. It stifles the
creation of wealth and in the end everyone is equally poor and miserable
except for a few connected to the party elite. The Soviets made no secret
of their intent to bring about revolution in the 3rd world: Southeast Asia,
Latin America and the Caribbean, the Middle East and Africa. They made no
secret of their intent to retake West Berlin. Phobia not required to be
worried.
#4465
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:bRYtb.72020$Ec1.3947253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> > First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
as
> > a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
> Is a matter of degree. Guess America currently is not really a democracy
> either. It is mainly governed by corporations who have the finance to buy
> political influence.
>
Let's just say that in America, the voters are pandered to. They weren't so
much in Iran. With the constitutional monarchy, certain groups had power
and others didn't. The clergy were out of the loop with both Prime Minister
and the Shah. Now it's the other way around.
In the US, corporations have self interest to be sure. Nothing wrong with
that. Not everything they want is bad or evil either as the anti-globalists
would have you believe. Even Democrats know that, though you wouldn't think
that by listening to their rhetoric.
The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
enterprise.
>
> > Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the onset
> > of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
with
> > the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets)
because it
> > gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
US).
> > He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil industry but made the mistake
of
> > getting in bed with the Communists. This sealed his overthrow by the
Shah
> > and the Iranian military with the support of the British and US, Cold
War
> > politics being what they were at the time.
> >
>
> I suspect nationalizing the oil industry is where he made the major
mistake.
> That means major corporations will loose their investments. The US does
have
> this phobia against communist. Communism itself is not the problem. It is
> the rulers who use communism as a front to gain power. Soviet Union was
not
> communism. It is really totalitarianism.
>
You cannot dismiss the US side of the Cold War as a mere phobia or an
irrational fear. FromWWII to the 60's the USSR gained in military power to
the point that the US couldn't defeat them on the battlefield (Western
Europe) except to use nuclear weapons. The Soviets were so aggressive at
the time that our good friend Charles de Gaul pleaded with the US to promise
to use nukes as a first strike if the Soviets invaded Europe.
Communism doesn't work and can only persist by force. It stifles the
creation of wealth and in the end everyone is equally poor and miserable
except for a few connected to the party elite. The Soviets made no secret
of their intent to bring about revolution in the 3rd world: Southeast Asia,
Latin America and the Caribbean, the Middle East and Africa. They made no
secret of their intent to retake West Berlin. Phobia not required to be
worried.
#4466
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <2e7ub.34760$pE3.32657@twister.socal.rr.com>, David J. Allen wrote:
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
#4467
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <2e7ub.34760$pE3.32657@twister.socal.rr.com>, David J. Allen wrote:
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
#4468
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
In article <2e7ub.34760$pE3.32657@twister.socal.rr.com>, David J. Allen wrote:
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
> The left, Socialists and Communists, would have you believe the answer to
> corporate power is to fight them; to create trade unions or tax them into
> submission or outright take them over (nationalize them). I think a better
> counterbalance is education. The uneducated poor are in a bad way
> regardless of who has the economic power, the government or private
> enterprise.
A critical mass of educated buyers of products most certainly can hold
corporations in check. They control the profits of the corporations,
so companies *HAVE* to listen or perish. A market forces arguement
really. The buyers demanding this or that.
The problem is that educated people are a threat to those who want
power. They are especially a threat to those who seek power by making
the populace dependent upon government. This is why the answer becomes
government control rather than educating people to stand on their own.
#4469
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Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
they
> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
US,
> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
this
> >> > > is history.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
> >book
> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
> >>
> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
in
> >> Iran.
> >
> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
as
> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
>
> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>
> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> >the government is wrong.
>
>
> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>
> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
a
> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
onset
> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
with
> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
it
> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
US).
>
>
> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
to
> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.
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"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
news:bpar8i$k2h$5@puck.cc.emory.edu...
> In article <gYVtb.33146$pE3.5099@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Benjamin Lee" <benmlee@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >news:XPStb.70809$Ec1.3910324@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > Do you think the people of Iran feel that way?
> >> > > Do you think the people of Pakistan feel that way?
> >> > > How about Afghanistan? Iraq?
> >> > > Each of these countries *had* free democratic elections, but when
they
> >> > > elected governments whose foreign policies didn't agree with the
US,
> >> > > they ended up with coups d'etat funded by the US, and their freely
> >> > > elected governments kicked out. This is not conspiracy theory,
this
> >> > > is history.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > You're wrong about these countries having ever been free democratic
> >> > societies with freely elected governments. I don't know what history
> >book
> >> > you read, but it ranks with mythology.
> >>
> >> This year is the 50th annaversary of the CIA's overthrow of Democracy
in
> >> Iran.
> >
> >First of all, to describe what Iran had in the first half of the century
as
> >a democracy is a stretch beyond reason.
>
>
> For a brief time, Mossadeq, it was correct.
>
> >Also, to say that the CIA overthrew
> >the government is wrong.
>
>
> What would you call organizing a coup then?
>
> >It is true that the US supported the Monarchy (the
> >Shah) in his struggle against the PM, Mossadeq, who was a Nationalist and
a
> >Secularist. Here again is proof that many non-aligned nations at the
onset
> >of the cold war played east against west. Mossadeq was courting favor
with
> >the Tudeh (the outlawed Communist party supported by the Soviets) because
it
> >gave him leverage against the west (primarily Britain, secondarily the
US).
>
>
> So, if say China doesn't like the Republican party here, it's OK for them
to
> help groups try to overthrow the US government?
Kind of like China illegally donating money to AlGore's campaign and the
Democrats. I keep forgetting there wasn't any controlling authority and Al
had to take a leak from too much tea at the temple.