On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:00:50 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <P3gqb.313110$9l5.188454@pd7tw2no>,
> "Kingbarry2000" <kingbarrypublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>>news:bo8ji1$3lv$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>>> In article <3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>,
>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jonesy wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>>> >> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just
>>spent
>>> >> > 50% of his time working for the Government.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet another right-wing lie.
>>> >>
>>> >> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>>> >
>>> >In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay.
>>I'd
>>> guess some engineers in high
>>> >tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both
>>> sides, not just "your half") and
>>>
>>> Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.
>>>
>>> >state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both
>>direct
>>> annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
>>> >of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
>>>
>>> Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes, I
>>bet
>>> you could get up over 100%!
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Ed
>>> >
>>
>>Its actually 101% when you include the death taxes.
>>
>Do you have any idea how few estates are subject to the estate tax?

You changed the subject again.
Do you ramble like this in class?
--
Bill Funk
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On Thu, 06 Nov 03 14:00:50 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <P3gqb.313110$9l5.188454@pd7tw2no>,
> "Kingbarry2000" <kingbarrypublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu> wrote in message
>>news:bo8ji1$3lv$1@puck.cc.emory.edu...
>>> In article <3FA6A6C2.670B2F9D@mindspring.com>,
>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jonesy wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<bnuuae0m7h@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>>> >> > Or, an idealist who gets his first pay check and realizes he's just
>>spent
>>> >> > 50% of his time working for the Government.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet another right-wing lie.
>>> >>
>>> >> No beginning worker spends even half that amount to The Government.
>>> >
>>> >In defense of Gerald, it dpends on your loaction and the starting pay.
>>I'd
>>> guess some engineers in high
>>> >tax staes could be approaching 50% when you include Social Security (both
>>> sides, not just "your half") and
>>>
>>> Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.
>>>
>>> >state and city taxes. And if you include all the taxes you pay, both
>>direct
>>> annd indirect, I'd guess a lot
>>> >of people pay more than 50% of their income to various governments.
>>>
>>> Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes, I
>>bet
>>> you could get up over 100%!
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Ed
>>> >
>>
>>Its actually 101% when you include the death taxes.
>>
>Do you have any idea how few estates are subject to the estate tax?

You changed the subject again.
Do you ramble like this in class?
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:57 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <Dkbqb.10643$9M3.8346@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>>
>>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com. ..
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> > >
>>> > >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>>
>>> Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>> able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>> systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>>where
>>> government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>>> individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>>> jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>>> government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>>>
>>> Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their values
>>> include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity between
>>> rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>>> government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through taxes.
>>> The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>>> employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>>> shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be "found"
>>> in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Bravo! Couldn't have put that better myself. Read and try to open your mind
>>just a bit Lloyd maybe you'll learn something.
>>
>>
>I thought you dittoheads were taking a rest with your idol in rehab.

And *AGAIN*!
Your mind is pretty unravelled, isn't it? Loose ends all over the
place.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:57 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <Dkbqb.10643$9M3.8346@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>>
>>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com. ..
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> > >
>>> > >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>>
>>> Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>> able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>> systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>>where
>>> government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>>> individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>>> jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>>> government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>>>
>>> Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their values
>>> include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity between
>>> rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>>> government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through taxes.
>>> The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>>> employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>>> shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be "found"
>>> in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Bravo! Couldn't have put that better myself. Read and try to open your mind
>>just a bit Lloyd maybe you'll learn something.
>>
>>
>I thought you dittoheads were taking a rest with your idol in rehab.

And *AGAIN*!
Your mind is pretty unravelled, isn't it? Loose ends all over the
place.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:57 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <Dkbqb.10643$9M3.8346@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink .net>,
> "FDRanger92" <csu13081@nospammail.clayton.edu> wrote:
>>
>>"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com. ..
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> > >
>>> > >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>>
>>> Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>> able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>> systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>>where
>>> government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>>> individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>>> jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>>> government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>>>
>>> Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their values
>>> include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity between
>>> rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>>> government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through taxes.
>>> The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>>> employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>>> shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be "found"
>>> in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Bravo! Couldn't have put that better myself. Read and try to open your mind
>>just a bit Lloyd maybe you'll learn something.
>>
>>
>I thought you dittoheads were taking a rest with your idol in rehab.

And *AGAIN*!
Your mind is pretty unravelled, isn't it? Loose ends all over the
place.
--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:14 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> >
>>> >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
>The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
>left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.

Who brought God into this?
Oh, right: Lloyd.
Another change of subject.
Do you really think we don't notice?
Why not try staying on topic?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:14 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> >
>>> >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
>The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
>left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.

Who brought God into this?
Oh, right: Lloyd.
Another change of subject.
Do you really think we don't notice?
Why not try staying on topic?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:50:14 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>In article <FV9qb.54150$Ub4.32412@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.
>>> >
>>> >Do you even know what a fascist is Lloyd?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Yes, but you right-wingers obviously do not know what a socialist is.
>>
>>Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government as
>>able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>>systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>
>Cute, but zealots have claimed to be on the side of God throughout history.
>The fact is, the political spectrum runs from communism and socialism on the
>left, to fascism and Nazism on the right.

Who brought God into this?
Oh, right: Lloyd.
Another change of subject.
Do you really think we don't notice?
Why not try staying on topic?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:52:49 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>>I can't fault FMLA, in itself its a good thing. Workplace safety sometimes
>>goes to far the way the laws are written. Whether you like it or not Lloyd
>>there is such a thing as over regulation. I think abortion is wrong, but its
>>not for me or anyone else to legislate it, hence I don't think it should be
>>an issue.
>>The Brady Bill and assault weapons ban are a joke, if you actually got out
>>of that ivory tower you're holed up in you might realize it. If it were up
>>to you I could think of three people off the top of my head who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
>suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
>house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.

And there are those who will say that the one is an overpowering
reason to ban all guns.
Did you know there are people who use knives to assault other people,
and to commit suicide with?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"

 

On Thu, 06 Nov 03 13:52:49 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

>>I can't fault FMLA, in itself its a good thing. Workplace safety sometimes
>>goes to far the way the laws are written. Whether you like it or not Lloyd
>>there is such a thing as over regulation. I think abortion is wrong, but its
>>not for me or anyone else to legislate it, hence I don't think it should be
>>an issue.
>>The Brady Bill and assault weapons ban are a joke, if you actually got out
>>of that ivory tower you're holed up in you might realize it. If it were up
>>to you I could think of three people off the top of my head who might be
>>dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
>>An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
>>A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
>>a Wal-Fart parking lot.
>>A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
>>nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.
>>
>>
>>
>And for each of those, there are family members shot in anger or accidentally,
>suicides with a handy gun, children shooting children with a gun found in the
>house, shooting of a neighbor the homeowner thought was a burglar, etc.

And there are those who will say that the one is an overpowering
reason to ban all guns.
Did you know there are people who use knives to assault other people,
and to commit suicide with?

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"