In article <2Kiqb.11735$9M3.10343@newsread2.news.atl.earthlin k.net>,
"Joe" <jo_ratner@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Explain how increased taxes improve the economy."
>It improves the economy by starting a recession (ex. the Clinton
>Recession)... see the logic I followed there??

Yes, those 8 years of gloom, doom, and recession. When the stock market goes
above 10,000, that's a sure sign of recession. When unemployment hits record
lows, gotta be in a recession!

>
>"Bill Funk" <bfunk33@pipping.com> wrote in message
>news:rtriqvkhms3sfdqhscdi2qnno4u28o5iud@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 03 11:42:46 GMT, lparker@NOSPAMemory.edu (Lloyd Parker)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>We all remember that lying bastard Clinton ran in '92 on a
>> >>middle class tax cut.
>> >
>> >And when Bush left the budget in much worse shape, to his credit, he took
>> >steps to get it under control.
>>
>> Would that be by instituting the largest tax increase in our history?
>> Explain how increased taxes improve the economy.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Funk
>> replace "g" with "a"
>
>

 

In article <boci0401rri@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
>> Wasn't it the corrupt democrats that tried to illegally alter the results
>of Florida? The final results were accurate and valid.>
>
>Actually it looks like the ORIGINAL results were accurate & valid!
>
>The Democrats proved their disegenuousness when they only wanted to recout
>three heavily Democratic counties.

FL law allowed for a candidate to ask for a recount in specific counties.


>Worse, with a perfectly straight face
>they had Bill Daley act as their spokesperson! For those too young to
>remember, Daley is the son of the late Richard J. Daley, mayor of Chicago in
>the 50's & 60's. Daley stole the 1960 election for Kennedy, which had a much
>closer National vote count than 2000, only 100,000 difference. Daley's
>Democratic machine created massive voter fraud, people voted twice, dead
>people voted, Hell, dead people's DOGS voted. Hence the old Chicago saying
>"vote early, vote often!"

The US constitution provides that a person's transgressions do not extend to
their children. Guess that puts you on the wrong side of the constitution.

>
>No, old Al Gore screwed himself and the entire Democrat party by what he
>did, and the public hasn't forgotten. By the way, Texas has only recently
>become a Republican state. The Democrats have controlled politics there
>since the 1870's, and their latest trick to keep from accepting reality was
>to LEAVE THE STATE! Some representation!
>
>

 

In article <boci0401rri@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
>> Wasn't it the corrupt democrats that tried to illegally alter the results
>of Florida? The final results were accurate and valid.>
>
>Actually it looks like the ORIGINAL results were accurate & valid!
>
>The Democrats proved their disegenuousness when they only wanted to recout
>three heavily Democratic counties.

FL law allowed for a candidate to ask for a recount in specific counties.


>Worse, with a perfectly straight face
>they had Bill Daley act as their spokesperson! For those too young to
>remember, Daley is the son of the late Richard J. Daley, mayor of Chicago in
>the 50's & 60's. Daley stole the 1960 election for Kennedy, which had a much
>closer National vote count than 2000, only 100,000 difference. Daley's
>Democratic machine created massive voter fraud, people voted twice, dead
>people voted, Hell, dead people's DOGS voted. Hence the old Chicago saying
>"vote early, vote often!"

The US constitution provides that a person's transgressions do not extend to
their children. Guess that puts you on the wrong side of the constitution.

>
>No, old Al Gore screwed himself and the entire Democrat party by what he
>did, and the public hasn't forgotten. By the way, Texas has only recently
>become a Republican state. The Democrats have controlled politics there
>since the 1870's, and their latest trick to keep from accepting reality was
>to LEAVE THE STATE! Some representation!
>
>

 

In article <boci0401rri@enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote:
>> Wasn't it the corrupt democrats that tried to illegally alter the results
>of Florida? The final results were accurate and valid.>
>
>Actually it looks like the ORIGINAL results were accurate & valid!
>
>The Democrats proved their disegenuousness when they only wanted to recout
>three heavily Democratic counties.

FL law allowed for a candidate to ask for a recount in specific counties.


>Worse, with a perfectly straight face
>they had Bill Daley act as their spokesperson! For those too young to
>remember, Daley is the son of the late Richard J. Daley, mayor of Chicago in
>the 50's & 60's. Daley stole the 1960 election for Kennedy, which had a much
>closer National vote count than 2000, only 100,000 difference. Daley's
>Democratic machine created massive voter fraud, people voted twice, dead
>people voted, Hell, dead people's DOGS voted. Hence the old Chicago saying
>"vote early, vote often!"

The US constitution provides that a person's transgressions do not extend to
their children. Guess that puts you on the wrong side of the constitution.

>
>No, old Al Gore screwed himself and the entire Democrat party by what he
>did, and the public hasn't forgotten. By the way, Texas has only recently
>become a Republican state. The Democrats have controlled politics there
>since the 1870's, and their latest trick to keep from accepting reality was
>to LEAVE THE STATE! Some representation!
>
>

 

In article <66mqb.54771$Ub4.47968@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>Thanks! Of course these are old arguments. Lloyd's arguments look like
>cut/paste jobs from previous posts he's made. He always says the same thing
>over and over. And he always degenerates to name calling....
>"right-winger", "fascist", "hate-monger", etc.

Only when your side starts with the "socialist" or "communist" name calling.


>or self-agrandizement being
>that he's such an intelligent guy....Phd and all.... "What are YOUR
>credentials?" or "Take a science class!".

If you're going to challenge established science, you need some expertise.


>What's good about that is it's a
>chance for those of us on the other side of the idealogical divide to home
>in on a fixed target.
>
>Nonetheless, I believe he really enjoys it. He's been doing this for years
>and he always gets beat-up and then comes back for more!
>
>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>news:bobrfh01a73@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> Great post, David.
>>
>> > Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government
>as
>> > able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>> > systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>> where
>> > government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>> > individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>> > jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>> > government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>> >
>> > Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their
>values
>> > include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity
>between
>> > rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>> > government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through
>taxes.
>> > The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>> > employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>> > shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be
>"found"
>> > in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

In article <66mqb.54771$Ub4.47968@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>Thanks! Of course these are old arguments. Lloyd's arguments look like
>cut/paste jobs from previous posts he's made. He always says the same thing
>over and over. And he always degenerates to name calling....
>"right-winger", "fascist", "hate-monger", etc.

Only when your side starts with the "socialist" or "communist" name calling.


>or self-agrandizement being
>that he's such an intelligent guy....Phd and all.... "What are YOUR
>credentials?" or "Take a science class!".

If you're going to challenge established science, you need some expertise.


>What's good about that is it's a
>chance for those of us on the other side of the idealogical divide to home
>in on a fixed target.
>
>Nonetheless, I believe he really enjoys it. He's been doing this for years
>and he always gets beat-up and then comes back for more!
>
>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>news:bobrfh01a73@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> Great post, David.
>>
>> > Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government
>as
>> > able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>> > systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>> where
>> > government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>> > individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>> > jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>> > government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>> >
>> > Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their
>values
>> > include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity
>between
>> > rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>> > government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through
>taxes.
>> > The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>> > employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>> > shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be
>"found"
>> > in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

In article <66mqb.54771$Ub4.47968@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"David J. Allen" <dallen03NO_SPAM@sanNO_SPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>Thanks! Of course these are old arguments. Lloyd's arguments look like
>cut/paste jobs from previous posts he's made. He always says the same thing
>over and over. And he always degenerates to name calling....
>"right-winger", "fascist", "hate-monger", etc.

Only when your side starts with the "socialist" or "communist" name calling.


>or self-agrandizement being
>that he's such an intelligent guy....Phd and all.... "What are YOUR
>credentials?" or "Take a science class!".

If you're going to challenge established science, you need some expertise.


>What's good about that is it's a
>chance for those of us on the other side of the idealogical divide to home
>in on a fixed target.
>
>Nonetheless, I believe he really enjoys it. He's been doing this for years
>and he always gets beat-up and then comes back for more!
>
>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>news:bobrfh01a73@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> Great post, David.
>>
>> > Fascism and Socialism have one thing in common... they view government
>as
>> > able to give and take away rights according to their respective value
>> > systems. That puts both of them on the opposite side of conservatism
>> where
>> > government is limited precisely because of it's belief in God given,
>> > individual, indivisible, inalienable rights that government as no
>> > jurisdiction over. Fascism and Socialism both reject that notion as
>> > government is the vehicle to compel their values on people.
>> >
>> > Democrats are in a constant dance on the edge of socialism. Their
>values
>> > include rejecting the unfairness of their being a large disparity
>between
>> > rich and poor, which isn't a bad value.... but their answer is to use
>> > government to compel "charity" or the "transfer of wealth" through
>taxes.
>> > The effort includes finding "rights" to justify this, like rights to
>> > employment, rights to minimum wages, rights of healthcare, rights to
>> > shelter, right to education, ad infinitum, which rights have to be
>"found"
>> > in the constitution via "activist", "progressive" judges.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

In article <vqki81jfmomrb2@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Avfqb.86555$9E1.433801@attbi_s52...
>> In article <vqiu9b3fm82i1e@corp.supernews.com>, The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> > news:bobrok01aff@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> >> > You forget, it's the source and location of the CO2 that matters in
>the
>> >> political arguement. Not that it simply takes from a carbon sink and
>> >> releases CO2 to the atmosphere. A forest fire produces good CO2. An
>> >> automobile in the USA produces bad CO2. A factory in China produces
>good
>> >> CO2. A factory in the USA produces bad CO2. A tractor on a farm in the
>USA
>> >> > produces bad CO2. A coal fired electric plant in china produces good
>> > CO2.
>> >> And on and on.
>> >>
>> >> BrentP nails the issue once again!
>> >
>> > He seems to have a knack for it, glad I'm not arguing against him. :-)
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience. First,
>> Dr. Parker has been around the auto groups longer than I can
>> remember so that's old hat. Secondly, I spent a trial by fire in
>> politics er sci.environment where I learned the hard way how
>> left-wingers masquading as environmentalists work. I had been
>> naive and thought it was science group.
>
>
>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>
>
I've learned from science; you never have.

 

In article <vqki81jfmomrb2@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Avfqb.86555$9E1.433801@attbi_s52...
>> In article <vqiu9b3fm82i1e@corp.supernews.com>, The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> > news:bobrok01aff@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> >> > You forget, it's the source and location of the CO2 that matters in
>the
>> >> political arguement. Not that it simply takes from a carbon sink and
>> >> releases CO2 to the atmosphere. A forest fire produces good CO2. An
>> >> automobile in the USA produces bad CO2. A factory in China produces
>good
>> >> CO2. A factory in the USA produces bad CO2. A tractor on a farm in the
>USA
>> >> > produces bad CO2. A coal fired electric plant in china produces good
>> > CO2.
>> >> And on and on.
>> >>
>> >> BrentP nails the issue once again!
>> >
>> > He seems to have a knack for it, glad I'm not arguing against him. :-)
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience. First,
>> Dr. Parker has been around the auto groups longer than I can
>> remember so that's old hat. Secondly, I spent a trial by fire in
>> politics er sci.environment where I learned the hard way how
>> left-wingers masquading as environmentalists work. I had been
>> naive and thought it was science group.
>
>
>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>
>
I've learned from science; you never have.

 

In article <vqki81jfmomrb2@corp.supernews.com>,
"The Ancient One" <onlytheone@thetopknows.com> wrote:
>
>"Brent P" <tetraethyllead@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Avfqb.86555$9E1.433801@attbi_s52...
>> In article <vqiu9b3fm82i1e@corp.supernews.com>, The Ancient One wrote:
>> >
>> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
>> > news:bobrok01aff@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> >> > You forget, it's the source and location of the CO2 that matters in
>the
>> >> political arguement. Not that it simply takes from a carbon sink and
>> >> releases CO2 to the atmosphere. A forest fire produces good CO2. An
>> >> automobile in the USA produces bad CO2. A factory in China produces
>good
>> >> CO2. A factory in the USA produces bad CO2. A tractor on a farm in the
>USA
>> >> > produces bad CO2. A coal fired electric plant in china produces good
>> > CO2.
>> >> And on and on.
>> >>
>> >> BrentP nails the issue once again!
>> >
>> > He seems to have a knack for it, glad I'm not arguing against him. :-)
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> But I have to admit, this is the product of experience. First,
>> Dr. Parker has been around the auto groups longer than I can
>> remember so that's old hat. Secondly, I spent a trial by fire in
>> politics er sci.environment where I learned the hard way how
>> left-wingers masquading as environmentalists work. I had been
>> naive and thought it was science group.
>
>
>You've learned from experience, Lloyd never has. ;-)
>
>
I've learned from science; you never have.