Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
#1461
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Built in Australia, sold in Australia and New Zealand and a few other RHD
countries.
Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even the
3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+ pounds.
www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable and
can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
with a big boot (trunk) still.
Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
luxary Calais.
then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
rhys
"Dori Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Where are these built/sold?
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> "rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> > Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais
sedans
> > and stationwagons.
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
>
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countries.
Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even the
3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+ pounds.
www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable and
can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
with a big boot (trunk) still.
Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
luxary Calais.
then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
rhys
"Dori Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f95286f$0$19400$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com ...
> Where are these built/sold?
>
> DAS
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> "rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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> [...................................]>
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> > Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais
sedans
> > and stationwagons.
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
>
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#1462
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Built in Australia, sold in Australia and New Zealand and a few other RHD
countries.
Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even the
3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+ pounds.
www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable and
can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
with a big boot (trunk) still.
Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
luxary Calais.
then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
rhys
"Dori Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f95286f$0$19400$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com ...
> Where are these built/sold?
>
> DAS
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> NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
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> "rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
> news:3f947871$1@news.iconz.co.nz...
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> [...................................]>
>
> > Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais
sedans
> > and stationwagons.
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
>
>
countries.
Smallest engine in one is 3.8L V6, and goes up to a 5.7L V8. and even the
3.8 can tow 2000Kg, or 4000+ pounds, V8 is up to 3500Kg or so, 7000+ pounds.
www.holden.com.au and www.ford.com.au
They're big cargo haulers, and very popular with farmers, very reliable and
can take some pretty harsh terrain and climate without flinching.
very popular with farmers, and can carry 8 people in the station wagons.
with a big boot (trunk) still.
Commador is the entry level car, then the higher specced Berlina and the
luxary Calais.
then comes the SS, and HSV performance cars.
rhys
"Dori Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f95286f$0$19400$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com ...
> Where are these built/sold?
>
> DAS
> --
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> NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
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> "rnf2" <rnf2@waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
> news:3f947871$1@news.iconz.co.nz...
> >
> [...................................]>
>
> > Lobby GM to build LHD versions of the Commodore, Berlina, or Calais
sedans
> > and stationwagons.
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
>
>
#1463
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dictionary definition of obese is "extremely fat" - no political loading
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
#1464
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dictionary definition of obese is "extremely fat" - no political loading
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
#1465
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Dictionary definition of obese is "extremely fat" - no political loading
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
intended. Whatever you want to call the opposite of thin suits me. I think
it is far too simplistic to say that thin people fund fat (woops obese)
people as you could argue obese people support the economy more (and plenty
of fat/obese people dont make it into hospital with fat related illnesses).
And to be honest, I don't care - if I did I'd start to want refunds for not
getting advantages in areas where my tax money is spend ... Life isn't
absolutely fair, but it's fair enough ..
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$tin3nh$40u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:nfzkb.2655$VQ.22478963@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > you get my point though.
: >
:
: No, actually what your arguing, far from being sarcastic, is the truth.
: Obese
: people (I notice you use the politically loaded term fat, rather than the
: term obese) have more medical problems espically as they age than
: people who aren't obese. If every obese person could completely
: pay their way through every health care facility they go through then
: there would be no problem. But, the fact is that in the US, the majority
: of people are covered under some sort of group health policy. The
: insurance companies that write those are prohibited by law from
: charging more money to obese people, so the thin people end up
: funding the medical problems of the obese people. (can you
: say heart bypass operations?)
:
: And the Billy Bob I was using as an exampe wasn't driving a semi
: truck. He was driving a 40 foot long cracker box, ie: recreational
: vehicle. I forget that our European friends may not be familar with
: all the deragotory slang terms in use in the US. The term cracker
: box came about because the giant RV's look like saltine cracker
: boxes with wheels, going down the road.
:
: And as for semi-truck drivers, do they really pay their way? let's
: see, how many states have repealed weight-mile taxes due to
: pressure from the trucking industry? And as for semitrucks bringing
: me a service, well yes they do, I would prefer to pay for it through
: higher prices for consumer items, than higher taxes paid to the
: government that are then spent on roads. That way I have a choice
: to not purchase the consumer item if I choose.
:
: Ted
:
:
#1466
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:3F92C91D.1010909@computer.org...
>
> >
> > Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> > believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> > put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> > independent issues.
> >
>
> Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
> only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
> now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
> No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
> thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
> for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
> Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
> required to pass emissions inspection.
>
> Ted
>
>
Same w/ Georgia if you live outside of Atlanta metro area don't have to test
for emissions, or if your car is more than 25years old. Got another 10 to go
on my Cougar. :-)
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$h0p3nh$z0u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:3F92C91D.1010909@computer.org...
>
> >
> > Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> > believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> > put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> > independent issues.
> >
>
> Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
> only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
> now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
> No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
> thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
> for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
> Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
> required to pass emissions inspection.
>
> Ted
>
>
Same w/ Georgia if you live outside of Atlanta metro area don't have to test
for emissions, or if your car is more than 25years old. Got another 10 to go
on my Cougar. :-)
#1468
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$h0p3nh$z0u1$1@news.ipinc.net...
>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:3F92C91D.1010909@computer.org...
>
> >
> > Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
> > believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
> > put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
> > independent issues.
> >
>
> Last time I took my Datsun 210 through emissions they did not dyno it,
> only used a tailpipe sniffer and tachometer. This may have changed by
> now, that was a couple years ago. They did dyno the 84 Chevy, though.
> No doubt testing methodology is different in different states, but I had
> thought that the EPA only mandates the state do emissions testing
> for certain areas, and leaves a lot of the methodology up to the states.
> Fore sure, in Oregon if your registered in certain counties you are not
> required to pass emissions inspection.
>
> Ted
>
>
Same w/ Georgia if you live outside of Atlanta metro area don't have to test
for emissions, or if your car is more than 25years old. Got another 10 to go
on my Cougar. :-)
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
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> Aardwolf wrote:
> >
> > Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf <se1aard1@itis.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> >>>>news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> >>>>
> >>>>>CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE
has
> >>>>>been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing
vehicles
> >>>>to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people
dying
> >>
> >>each
> >>
> >>>>year
> >>>>as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives
lost by
> >>>>one
> >>>>thing are balanced by the other.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the
> >>
> >>problem--probably
> >>
> >>>more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of
tune
> >>>vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old
simply
> >>
> >>do
> >>
> >>>to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi
Charger,
> >>>running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily
drivers
> >>>anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a
brand new
> >>>car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> >>>pollution-spewing wrecks.
> >>>
> >>>--Aardwolf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Totally false. Why do you think auto makers went to catalytic
converters?
> >
> >
> > 1. What percentage of the current vehicle population do pre-1975 cars
make up?
> >
> > 2. As to how clean they look, it's relative. It has to do with the
magnitude of
> > the stuff coming out the pipe of a gross polluter. Which is absolutely
not false.
> >
> > --Aardwolf.
> >
> I changed to an off road chip in my Jeep to improve the performance.
> It runs much better with the hot chip. I only use the stock chip when
> its time for emissions inspection.
>
What happens if you test w/ the hot chip? My 92 Ranger hasn't failed yet and
I've had a chip in it since 97 or 98.
#1470
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Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:xdalb.843740$uu5.149257@sccrnsc04...
> Aardwolf wrote:
> >
> > Lloyd Parker wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <3F9235DC.AD3A628B@itis.com>, Aardwolf <se1aard1@itis.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@engin.umich> wrote in message
> >>>>news:Pine.SOL.4.44.0310171205180.4904->
> >>>>
> >>>>>CAFE has effectively limited the weight of passenger vehicles. CAFE
has
> >>>>>been shown to cost lives for exactly this reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>This may be true, but CAFE has also saved lives, because forcing
vehicles
> >>>>to use less fuel helps to reduce pollution, and thus fewer people
dying
> >>
> >>each
> >>
> >>>>year
> >>>>as a result of pollution-related illnesses. Most likely the lives
lost by
> >>>>one
> >>>>thing are balanced by the other.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>It's been shown more than once that the vast majority of the
> >>
> >>problem--probably
> >>
> >>>more than 80%--is caused by a very small minority of severely out of
tune
> >>>vehicles, of any age, any engine size, but most less than 10 years old
simply
> >>
> >>do
> >>
> >>>to demographic trends in the vehicle population. Even a 1968 Hemi
Charger,
> >>>running within specifications (if any at all are still used as daily
drivers
> >>>anywhere on this continent), is virtually indistinguishable from a
brand new
> >>>car, emmissions wise, when compared to one of those aforementioned
> >>>pollution-spewing wrecks.
> >>>
> >>>--Aardwolf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Totally false. Why do you think auto makers went to catalytic
converters?
> >
> >
> > 1. What percentage of the current vehicle population do pre-1975 cars
make up?
> >
> > 2. As to how clean they look, it's relative. It has to do with the
magnitude of
> > the stuff coming out the pipe of a gross polluter. Which is absolutely
not false.
> >
> > --Aardwolf.
> >
> I changed to an off road chip in my Jeep to improve the performance.
> It runs much better with the hot chip. I only use the stock chip when
> its time for emissions inspection.
>
What happens if you test w/ the hot chip? My 92 Ranger hasn't failed yet and
I've had a chip in it since 97 or 98.