Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Brent P wrote:
> In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote: > > >>Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll >>cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to >>bullet proof as you can get. > > > The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo > metro. > > Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which generates more momentum |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Brent P wrote:
> In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote: > > >>Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll >>cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to >>bullet proof as you can get. > > > The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo > metro. > > Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which generates more momentum |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Brent P wrote:
> In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin wrote: > > >>Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a roll >>cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as close to >>bullet proof as you can get. > > > The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo > metro. > > Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which generates more momentum |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Nate Nagel wrote: > > Bill Putney wrote: > > > ... I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > > accidents. > > > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > > would they stay the same? > > > > Basically, yes. An auto crash is fairly inelastic, the safety of the > vehicle occupants will primarily depend on how progressively the > vehicles crush. The amount of energy dissipated will increase > (dramatically) but the end result will be the same. Since energy > increases linearly with increased mass, it ought to scale fairly roughly > as you describe it. > > This is, of course, a fairly simplistic explanation and the crash > performance characteristics of the vehicles will be the primary factor > in whether the occupants walk away or not. A head-on collision between > two identical vehicles is essentially the same thing as a head-on crash > into an immovable wall at the same speed; so crash test performance is > the best gauge of safety in your scenario. Thanks for the reply. On the "two identical vehicles head-on = one vehicle into an immovable wall" thing, it seems self-evident that you could also extend that analogy and say that a heavier vehicle and a lighter vehicle head-on would be equivalent to the lighter vehicle hitting a wall that is moving at some advancing speed (i.e., more damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle), and the heavier vehicle hitting a wall that is receding at some speed (i.e., less damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle) Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Nate Nagel wrote: > > Bill Putney wrote: > > > ... I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > > accidents. > > > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > > would they stay the same? > > > > Basically, yes. An auto crash is fairly inelastic, the safety of the > vehicle occupants will primarily depend on how progressively the > vehicles crush. The amount of energy dissipated will increase > (dramatically) but the end result will be the same. Since energy > increases linearly with increased mass, it ought to scale fairly roughly > as you describe it. > > This is, of course, a fairly simplistic explanation and the crash > performance characteristics of the vehicles will be the primary factor > in whether the occupants walk away or not. A head-on collision between > two identical vehicles is essentially the same thing as a head-on crash > into an immovable wall at the same speed; so crash test performance is > the best gauge of safety in your scenario. Thanks for the reply. On the "two identical vehicles head-on = one vehicle into an immovable wall" thing, it seems self-evident that you could also extend that analogy and say that a heavier vehicle and a lighter vehicle head-on would be equivalent to the lighter vehicle hitting a wall that is moving at some advancing speed (i.e., more damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle), and the heavier vehicle hitting a wall that is receding at some speed (i.e., less damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle) Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Nate Nagel wrote: > > Bill Putney wrote: > > > ... I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > > accidents. > > > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > > would they stay the same? > > > > Basically, yes. An auto crash is fairly inelastic, the safety of the > vehicle occupants will primarily depend on how progressively the > vehicles crush. The amount of energy dissipated will increase > (dramatically) but the end result will be the same. Since energy > increases linearly with increased mass, it ought to scale fairly roughly > as you describe it. > > This is, of course, a fairly simplistic explanation and the crash > performance characteristics of the vehicles will be the primary factor > in whether the occupants walk away or not. A head-on collision between > two identical vehicles is essentially the same thing as a head-on crash > into an immovable wall at the same speed; so crash test performance is > the best gauge of safety in your scenario. Thanks for the reply. On the "two identical vehicles head-on = one vehicle into an immovable wall" thing, it seems self-evident that you could also extend that analogy and say that a heavier vehicle and a lighter vehicle head-on would be equivalent to the lighter vehicle hitting a wall that is moving at some advancing speed (i.e., more damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle), and the heavier vehicle hitting a wall that is receding at some speed (i.e., less damage than head-on into a same-weight vehicle) Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x") -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I don't know. Which way does the ninety mile an hour baseball
travel when it collides with at bat? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bill Putney wrote: > > I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > accidents. > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > would they stay the same? > > Bill Putney > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with "x") > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I don't know. Which way does the ninety mile an hour baseball
travel when it collides with at bat? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bill Putney wrote: > > I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > accidents. > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > would they stay the same? > > Bill Putney > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with "x") > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
I don't know. Which way does the ninety mile an hour baseball
travel when it collides with at bat? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Bill Putney wrote: > > I'm curious: Does this stuff scale linearly? By that, I mean, in two > otherwise identical two-vehicle crashes, one crash comprised of, say a > vehicle that weighs 2000 pounds and the other vehicle at 3500 pounds, > and the second crash with the two vehicles exactly twice (or apply any > ratio you want) as heavy (i.e., 4000 pounds and 7000 pounds as in the > other crash, will the outcome statistically be the same for > corresponding drivers and passengers of both cars in the two different > accidents. > > Another way of asking this is: If everyone in the nation became > convinced that bigger is better and got rid of their existing vehicle > and bought a vehicle that weighed 50% again as much as their previous > vehicle, would the safety statistics change for multiple vehicle > accidents (involving the now 50% heavier-across-the-board-vehicles), or > would they stay the same? > > Bill Putney > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with "x") > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers
Kevin wrote:
> Brent P wrote: > >> In article <VQYjb.489624$2x.202488@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net> , Kevin >> wrote: >> >> >>> Heaver is better. Take a large SUV, spend a few bucks and put in a >>> roll cage, fire bottle system, and 5 point belts and you will be as >>> close to bullet proof as you can get. >> >> >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo >> metro. >> >> > > Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which > generates more momentum > Only helps you if you collide with another vehicle. Does exactly squat when you hit something immovable, or significantly larger than you (like a semi) I'll take my cars light and nimble, thanks, so I don't wreck at all. nate -- remove "horny" from my email address to reply. |
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