bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:13:35 -0700 in
<1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
>JUST LIKE MY JEEP.

Then you obviously don't use a computer much, because you'd be hearing
this kind of ---- about your "old habits" every friggin' time you
posted.
No one wants to help someone who can't fulfil a simple request, based
on the fact that they're too ------- pigheaded. Hit the caps lock key
and try again. Is that going to bust your *****?

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:13:35 -0700 in
<1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
>JUST LIKE MY JEEP.

Then you obviously don't use a computer much, because you'd be hearing
this kind of ---- about your "old habits" every friggin' time you
posted.
No one wants to help someone who can't fulfil a simple request, based
on the fact that they're too ------- pigheaded. Hit the caps lock key
and try again. Is that going to bust your *****?

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:13:35 -0700 in
<1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
>JUST LIKE MY JEEP.

Then you obviously don't use a computer much, because you'd be hearing
this kind of ---- about your "old habits" every friggin' time you
posted.
No one wants to help someone who can't fulfil a simple request, based
on the fact that they're too ------- pigheaded. Hit the caps lock key
and try again. Is that going to bust your *****?

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:04:50 -0700 in
<1114131890.125024.221350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS OFF TO THE OLD TIMERS. DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR
>ME. ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT GET A DOSE OF OLD TIMERS DISEASE BY THE TIME
>THEY FINISH READING IT........ JUST KIDDING

aaaannnnd.... PLONK

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:04:50 -0700 in
<1114131890.125024.221350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS OFF TO THE OLD TIMERS. DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR
>ME. ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT GET A DOSE OF OLD TIMERS DISEASE BY THE TIME
>THEY FINISH READING IT........ JUST KIDDING

aaaannnnd.... PLONK

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:04:50 -0700 in
<1114131890.125024.221350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS OFF TO THE OLD TIMERS. DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR
>ME. ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT GET A DOSE OF OLD TIMERS DISEASE BY THE TIME
>THEY FINISH READING IT........ JUST KIDDING

aaaannnnd.... PLONK

bizbee

On 21 Apr 2005 18:04:50 -0700 in
<1114131890.125024.221350@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com graced the world with this thought:

>CAPS OFF TO THE OLD TIMERS. DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR
>ME. ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT GET A DOSE OF OLD TIMERS DISEASE BY THE TIME
>THEY FINISH READING IT........ JUST KIDDING

aaaannnnd.... PLONK

SoK66

Ok, since everyone else has told you about all CAPS, and I couldmn't get to
the end of your tale to look for more pertinent details re: other repairs,
I'll just deal with your main issue per the CJs I've known:

Since you've already replaced the steering box, I'll assume you adjusted it
properly when you installed it. ALll steering boxes like that have a slight
bit of play, but it's fairly negligible. If the box is adjusted right, check
the most obvious issue, see if the steering shaft has excessive play. Even
when new, the steering shaft joints on a CJ are fairly loose due to design
and inherent play in the lower joint (called a "bell joint"). Considering
how you're set up I advise you to toss the stock steerring shaft for either
a Flaming River or Borgeson shaft, available from 4 Wheel Hardware,
Quadratec, 4 Wheel Parts, etc. About $250.

Next I'd get it on a proper alignment rack and see what the caster is. If
you've installed longer shackles then the front caster will definitely be
off, it should be about 5-7 degrees. With longer shackles it could be near
zero and it'll wander all over the road. You can either toss the long
shackles (my recommendation) in favor of stock length (4") units from
Currie, Mountain Off Road, Rubicon Express, etc., or, install degree shims
between the front axle pads and the springs to compensate. If you do the
latter, DO NOT use aluminum shims, they'll eventually split and spit out.
Steel shims are aailable from most good alignment shops, or from Poison
Spyder Customs.

FWIW, I've been "restoring" a '76 CJ5 since '02. I've replaced or repaired
virtually everything except the gearbox & transfer case; new engine, clutch,
Weber CArb, DUI ignition, rear axle overhaul with one piece shafts, wiring,
gauges, roll bar, fenders, grille/radiator support, windshield frame, glass
& seal, dash panel, top, seats, tires, strip to metal repaint in original
red, all the little
bit-from-hell, you name it. Over $20k later, hey, it's nearly done. Was it
worth it? Of course not if you're talking about money, but it runs & works
like new and the fun never stops. Just remember, thay aren't making CJs any
more, so whatever you have work it a bit at a time and you'll end up with a
classic. Most of 'em are being destroyued a little at a time, either by the
elements or by being chopped into rock crawlers.

<OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
> JUST LIKE MY JEEP.
>
> BTW- DO YOU HAVE ANY usefull comments regarding the front end of a cj
> jeep? afterall thats what im posting for. sorry for yelling. dont be so
> irritated so easily. my appologies for the lack of computer etiquite.
>

SoK66

Ok, since everyone else has told you about all CAPS, and I couldmn't get to
the end of your tale to look for more pertinent details re: other repairs,
I'll just deal with your main issue per the CJs I've known:

Since you've already replaced the steering box, I'll assume you adjusted it
properly when you installed it. ALll steering boxes like that have a slight
bit of play, but it's fairly negligible. If the box is adjusted right, check
the most obvious issue, see if the steering shaft has excessive play. Even
when new, the steering shaft joints on a CJ are fairly loose due to design
and inherent play in the lower joint (called a "bell joint"). Considering
how you're set up I advise you to toss the stock steerring shaft for either
a Flaming River or Borgeson shaft, available from 4 Wheel Hardware,
Quadratec, 4 Wheel Parts, etc. About $250.

Next I'd get it on a proper alignment rack and see what the caster is. If
you've installed longer shackles then the front caster will definitely be
off, it should be about 5-7 degrees. With longer shackles it could be near
zero and it'll wander all over the road. You can either toss the long
shackles (my recommendation) in favor of stock length (4") units from
Currie, Mountain Off Road, Rubicon Express, etc., or, install degree shims
between the front axle pads and the springs to compensate. If you do the
latter, DO NOT use aluminum shims, they'll eventually split and spit out.
Steel shims are aailable from most good alignment shops, or from Poison
Spyder Customs.

FWIW, I've been "restoring" a '76 CJ5 since '02. I've replaced or repaired
virtually everything except the gearbox & transfer case; new engine, clutch,
Weber CArb, DUI ignition, rear axle overhaul with one piece shafts, wiring,
gauges, roll bar, fenders, grille/radiator support, windshield frame, glass
& seal, dash panel, top, seats, tires, strip to metal repaint in original
red, all the little
bit-from-hell, you name it. Over $20k later, hey, it's nearly done. Was it
worth it? Of course not if you're talking about money, but it runs & works
like new and the fun never stops. Just remember, thay aren't making CJs any
more, so whatever you have work it a bit at a time and you'll end up with a
classic. Most of 'em are being destroyued a little at a time, either by the
elements or by being chopped into rock crawlers.

<OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
> JUST LIKE MY JEEP.
>
> BTW- DO YOU HAVE ANY usefull comments regarding the front end of a cj
> jeep? afterall thats what im posting for. sorry for yelling. dont be so
> irritated so easily. my appologies for the lack of computer etiquite.
>

SoK66

Ok, since everyone else has told you about all CAPS, and I couldmn't get to
the end of your tale to look for more pertinent details re: other repairs,
I'll just deal with your main issue per the CJs I've known:

Since you've already replaced the steering box, I'll assume you adjusted it
properly when you installed it. ALll steering boxes like that have a slight
bit of play, but it's fairly negligible. If the box is adjusted right, check
the most obvious issue, see if the steering shaft has excessive play. Even
when new, the steering shaft joints on a CJ are fairly loose due to design
and inherent play in the lower joint (called a "bell joint"). Considering
how you're set up I advise you to toss the stock steerring shaft for either
a Flaming River or Borgeson shaft, available from 4 Wheel Hardware,
Quadratec, 4 Wheel Parts, etc. About $250.

Next I'd get it on a proper alignment rack and see what the caster is. If
you've installed longer shackles then the front caster will definitely be
off, it should be about 5-7 degrees. With longer shackles it could be near
zero and it'll wander all over the road. You can either toss the long
shackles (my recommendation) in favor of stock length (4") units from
Currie, Mountain Off Road, Rubicon Express, etc., or, install degree shims
between the front axle pads and the springs to compensate. If you do the
latter, DO NOT use aluminum shims, they'll eventually split and spit out.
Steel shims are aailable from most good alignment shops, or from Poison
Spyder Customs.

FWIW, I've been "restoring" a '76 CJ5 since '02. I've replaced or repaired
virtually everything except the gearbox & transfer case; new engine, clutch,
Weber CArb, DUI ignition, rear axle overhaul with one piece shafts, wiring,
gauges, roll bar, fenders, grille/radiator support, windshield frame, glass
& seal, dash panel, top, seats, tires, strip to metal repaint in original
red, all the little
bit-from-hell, you name it. Over $20k later, hey, it's nearly done. Was it
worth it? Of course not if you're talking about money, but it runs & works
like new and the fun never stops. Just remember, thay aren't making CJs any
more, so whatever you have work it a bit at a time and you'll end up with a
classic. Most of 'em are being destroyued a little at a time, either by the
elements or by being chopped into rock crawlers.

<OldARMYJEEP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114132415.143522.55900@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> CAPS, I GUESS ITS THE WAY I HAVE ALWAYS TYPED. OLD HABITS DIE HARD,
> JUST LIKE MY JEEP.
>
> BTW- DO YOU HAVE ANY usefull comments regarding the front end of a cj
> jeep? afterall thats what im posting for. sorry for yelling. dont be so
> irritated so easily. my appologies for the lack of computer etiquite.
>