Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.

Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
about an old fatigued spring.

Jerry


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
> springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
>
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
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>
> Jeepers wrote:
> >
> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> > the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> > allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?

Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.

Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
about an old fatigued spring.

Jerry


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FAECFA1.6F289B06@cox.net...
> Didn't your friend take pictures of her car before you bent the
> springs. ;-) They should have looked like this stock YJ:
>
http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...994_4_full.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeepers wrote:
> >
> > How do you figure there is more leverage? The weight pressing down on
> > the front of the spring has not changed. Perhaps in that they are
> > allowed to flex more before contacting the bump stop?
> >
> > Anyway, the question I was looking for an answer for, was:
> > How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?

Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <bomldg$1gd5mf$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
> knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
> the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.

The fellows out at http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ told me I could, at least find out if I was in the ballpark. Plus the
fellow over at the local alignment shop said I was within specs. However
I managed to NOT get a printout, so I don't know what the Jeep has. 6
degrees is what I'm looking for. http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ said the angle finder would be close enough to find out whether or not
I needed their degree shims.

> Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
> which is not good for steering.
>

Right, that's what this is all about. But before I mess with the shims,
I need to have the springs figured out.

> Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Give me a break, this ain't helping.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <bomldg$1gd5mf$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
> knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
> the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.

The fellows out at http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ told me I could, at least find out if I was in the ballpark. Plus the
fellow over at the local alignment shop said I was within specs. However
I managed to NOT get a printout, so I don't know what the Jeep has. 6
degrees is what I'm looking for. http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ said the angle finder would be close enough to find out whether or not
I needed their degree shims.

> Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
> which is not good for steering.
>

Right, that's what this is all about. But before I mess with the shims,
I need to have the springs figured out.

> Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Give me a break, this ain't helping.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <bomldg$1gd5mf$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote:

> I don't think that a "Handy-Dandy Craftsman level finder on the top of the
> knuckle" is the best way to check the caster angle. The last time I checked
> the top of the knuckle surface was not machined for this operation.

The fellows out at http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ told me I could, at least find out if I was in the ballpark. Plus the
fellow over at the local alignment shop said I was within specs. However
I managed to NOT get a printout, so I don't know what the Jeep has. 6
degrees is what I'm looking for. http://www.foothilloffroad.com/ said the angle finder would be close enough to find out whether or not
I needed their degree shims.

> Installation of a shackle lift will definitely decrease your caster angle,
> which is not good for steering.
>

Right, that's what this is all about. But before I mess with the shims,
I need to have the springs figured out.

> Consult the following link for use of the term "castor."
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/C0149400.html

Give me a break, this ain't helping.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <3faedad6_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"belowme" <dontbotherme@nospam.com> wrote:

> OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
> aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
> problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
> shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.
>
> Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
> what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
> taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
> taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
> and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
> about an old fatigued spring.
>
> Jerry

Well, as we have been shown castEr angle is important to steering
geometry.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <3faedad6_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"belowme" <dontbotherme@nospam.com> wrote:

> OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
> aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
> problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
> shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.
>
> Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
> what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
> taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
> taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
> and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
> about an old fatigued spring.
>
> Jerry

Well, as we have been shown castEr angle is important to steering
geometry.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

In article <3faedad6_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"belowme" <dontbotherme@nospam.com> wrote:

> OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
> aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't be a
> problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
> shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.
>
> Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just wondering
> what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
> taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
> taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between 1
> and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not concerned
> about an old fatigued spring.
>
> Jerry

Well, as we have been shown castEr angle is important to steering
geometry.


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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

Yep, I am well aware of the importance of caster angle. I do alignments
myself, and prefer to gain as much caster as possible on every alignment.
It makes most vehicles drive much nicer, the exception perhaps being cars
without power steering. In the case of Jeeps, it is my opinion (and many
have been given) that this lack of caster is the root cause of most "death
wobble" concerns. I suppose that you, Jeeper, and I are rebels in the midst
of Jeep purists. Real Jeeps wouldn't use a taller shackle, I don't suppose.

Jerry


"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-FAFFAF.19053309112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <3faedad6_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "belowme" <dontbotherme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
> > aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't
be a
> > problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
> > shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.
> >
> > Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just
wondering
> > what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
> > taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
> > taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between
1
> > and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not
concerned
> > about an old fatigued spring.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> Well, as we have been shown castEr angle is important to steering
> geometry.
>
>
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Re: How much curve should there be in stock YJ springs?
 

Yep, I am well aware of the importance of caster angle. I do alignments
myself, and prefer to gain as much caster as possible on every alignment.
It makes most vehicles drive much nicer, the exception perhaps being cars
without power steering. In the case of Jeeps, it is my opinion (and many
have been given) that this lack of caster is the root cause of most "death
wobble" concerns. I suppose that you, Jeeper, and I are rebels in the midst
of Jeep purists. Real Jeeps wouldn't use a taller shackle, I don't suppose.

Jerry


"Jeepers" <moomesa@INVALIDfnbnet.net> wrote in message
news:moomesa-FAFFAF.19053309112003@corp.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <3faedad6_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "belowme" <dontbotherme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, then assuming that I correct my caster angle with steel shims (never
> > aluminum) and install a proper bump stop, the longer shackle shouldn't
be a
> > problem, right? You can't convince me that an aftermarket reinforced
> > shackle is weaker than the stamped out piece of metal that OEM installs.
> >
> > Actually, I have already decided to install shackles, I am just
wondering
> > what the popular (or not) opinion is. I also haven't decided how much
> > taller to make the shackles, I have made them long enough to go 3 inches
> > taller, although I am not likely to do that. I will probably go between
1
> > and 2. I also have a suspension lift kit installed, so I am not
concerned
> > about an old fatigued spring.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> Well, as we have been shown castEr angle is important to steering
> geometry.
>
>
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