How Many Miles?
09-15-2006, 07:44 PM
#51
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Re: How Many Miles?
It was smooth because it wasn't running. >BFG<
Carl
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:qtBOg.19608$r61.5390@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I agree on the balance - the Jeep I6 may be great for long life and low
>down
> torque, but it is about as smooth as a tractor.
> The smoothest engine I've had was a I6 2.6 litre Rover engine, (designed
> by
> Triumph).
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:E64Og.12248$JR5.8313@dukeread11...
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > Agreed on all counts. I think D-C's decision to discontinue the 4.0L
>> > inline six was mainly because since they discontinued the Cherokee,
>> > it only was produced for one vehicle, the Wrangler, and they
>> > perferred to have an engine that was produced for other vehicles as
>> > well for economy of production. The '07 Wrangler has a V6 that is
>> > also used in Chrysler minivans (although with a different driveline
>> > layout). It is not the same engine as found in the Liberty.
>>
>> From what I understand the decision was based on the production molds
>> and equipment simply getting worn out and that retooling was too
>> expensive. Of course that could be pure bull..
>>
>> The I6 is a nice engine to be sure, but there are better engines out
>> there now with more power and less of the balance issues the I6 has.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:qtBOg.19608$r61.5390@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I agree on the balance - the Jeep I6 may be great for long life and low
>down
> torque, but it is about as smooth as a tractor.
> The smoothest engine I've had was a I6 2.6 litre Rover engine, (designed
> by
> Triumph).
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:E64Og.12248$JR5.8313@dukeread11...
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > Agreed on all counts. I think D-C's decision to discontinue the 4.0L
>> > inline six was mainly because since they discontinued the Cherokee,
>> > it only was produced for one vehicle, the Wrangler, and they
>> > perferred to have an engine that was produced for other vehicles as
>> > well for economy of production. The '07 Wrangler has a V6 that is
>> > also used in Chrysler minivans (although with a different driveline
>> > layout). It is not the same engine as found in the Liberty.
>>
>> From what I understand the decision was based on the production molds
>> and equipment simply getting worn out and that retooling was too
>> expensive. Of course that could be pure bull..
>>
>> The I6 is a nice engine to be sure, but there are better engines out
>> there now with more power and less of the balance issues the I6 has.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
09-15-2006, 07:44 PM
#52
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Re: How Many Miles?
It was smooth because it wasn't running. >BFG<
Carl
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:qtBOg.19608$r61.5390@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I agree on the balance - the Jeep I6 may be great for long life and low
>down
> torque, but it is about as smooth as a tractor.
> The smoothest engine I've had was a I6 2.6 litre Rover engine, (designed
> by
> Triumph).
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:E64Og.12248$JR5.8313@dukeread11...
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > Agreed on all counts. I think D-C's decision to discontinue the 4.0L
>> > inline six was mainly because since they discontinued the Cherokee,
>> > it only was produced for one vehicle, the Wrangler, and they
>> > perferred to have an engine that was produced for other vehicles as
>> > well for economy of production. The '07 Wrangler has a V6 that is
>> > also used in Chrysler minivans (although with a different driveline
>> > layout). It is not the same engine as found in the Liberty.
>>
>> From what I understand the decision was based on the production molds
>> and equipment simply getting worn out and that retooling was too
>> expensive. Of course that could be pure bull..
>>
>> The I6 is a nice engine to be sure, but there are better engines out
>> there now with more power and less of the balance issues the I6 has.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:qtBOg.19608$r61.5390@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>I agree on the balance - the Jeep I6 may be great for long life and low
>down
> torque, but it is about as smooth as a tractor.
> The smoothest engine I've had was a I6 2.6 litre Rover engine, (designed
> by
> Triumph).
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:E64Og.12248$JR5.8313@dukeread11...
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > Agreed on all counts. I think D-C's decision to discontinue the 4.0L
>> > inline six was mainly because since they discontinued the Cherokee,
>> > it only was produced for one vehicle, the Wrangler, and they
>> > perferred to have an engine that was produced for other vehicles as
>> > well for economy of production. The '07 Wrangler has a V6 that is
>> > also used in Chrysler minivans (although with a different driveline
>> > layout). It is not the same engine as found in the Liberty.
>>
>> From what I understand the decision was based on the production molds
>> and equipment simply getting worn out and that retooling was too
>> expensive. Of course that could be pure bull..
>>
>> The I6 is a nice engine to be sure, but there are better engines out
>> there now with more power and less of the balance issues the I6 has.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
09-15-2006, 10:09 PM
#53
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
09-15-2006, 10:09 PM
#54
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
09-15-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
> Carl wrote:
>
>>Agree 100%. 4.0L is one of the best engines ever made.
>>
>
>
>
> A lot of Australians think that of the Holden too, but it is in fact a
> shitbox. And the Brits adore the DOHC Jag XK engine, which is pretty
> stout, but demands maintenance lest it die. I like the 4.0 but I can't
> say it's any better than the late Chevy or 300 Ford inline sixes. Nor
> the Mopar Slant Six. And really, the mechanically stoutest six I know
> of is the SOHC Benz used in a lot of cars in the sixties and seventies.
> It most always makes it to the scrapyard (rust) under its own power!
>
A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
wrong with it.
09-15-2006, 10:16 PM
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
09-15-2006, 10:16 PM
#57
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
09-15-2006, 10:16 PM
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Re: How Many Miles?
Bret Ludwig proclaimed:
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
> sam owens wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:36:20 -0500, sam owens <sam@sam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I felt that the guy was truthin' it cause he wasn't selling me
>>anything. Thanks for the replies and knowledge.
>>
>>I drove my Jeep from Michigan's UP to San Fran and put on >5.5k It was
>>cool. I kept my speed at 60 mph 95% of the time and I almost never let
>>it accelerate from cruise going up a mountain at that speed.
>>
>>I wondered frequently how fast I'd be going at the chosen power I gave
>>the engine if I hadn't been hauling the trailer and my 700 lb + bike.
>>
>>I saw many dead cars along the high Nevada desert and I didn't want to
>>be one of them and I wasn't.
>
>
> People who live there get oversize radiators. And, trans and PS
> coolers if they are smart.
>
'snot really that bad, just typical 100 degrees or more, relative
humidity in the single digits, and a speed limit of 75 that following
will get you run over, plus multi-mile long grades that are much steeper
than they appear to the casual observer.
Honestly never really had a problem with overheat with nothing more than
a trailer tow package and a cooling system kept in tip top shape.
09-15-2006, 10:37 PM
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Re: How Many Miles?
Notice how many 240 and 280 Zs running around???? NONE! Not one of
those twenty year old rice burners running!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
> Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
> they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
> like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
> straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
> For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
> straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
> wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
> wrong with it.
those twenty year old rice burners running!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
> Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
> they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
> like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
> straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
> For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
> straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
> wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
> wrong with it.
09-15-2006, 10:37 PM
#60
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Re: How Many Miles?
Notice how many 240 and 280 Zs running around???? NONE! Not one of
those twenty year old rice burners running!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
> Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
> they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
> like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
> straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
> For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
> straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
> wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
> wrong with it.
those twenty year old rice burners running!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> A very good interpretation of the old Jag 6 was done by Toyota. Had
> Jaguar been smart enough to buy the Toyota versions and trash their own,
> they might be something more than a gussied up Ford today. I also
> like the older Nissan straight 6, to me smoother than the oft-touted Bmw
> straights. The Volvo straight 6 wasn't bad either, if too short lived.
> For service under extreme duress, I gotta vote for the old International
> straight 6. I helped rebuild one of those, all during the while
> wondering how that poor baby managed to even spin with all that was
> wrong with it.