Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
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Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 11:57, Tim Hayes's monkeys randomly typed:

> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
>> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
>> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
>> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
>> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
>> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

That actually isn't that bad. Now try it on polished snow/ice
or up or down a hill with corners on it. Or just come west and
park anywhere along Donner Pass and watch all the 4wd geniuses
head for the nearest ditch on any snowy weekend.

>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.

I hope this doesn't qualify as sane driving for you...which is why
I tend to get off any freeway when it rains or snows... too many
folks confuse ABS and/or AWD with actually being able to drive.


--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 12:49, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :

You should have seen it here this past weekend when I-80 and 280
had a few spots of black ice at the on/off ramps. Looked like a
demolition derby. Informal survey observed a higher proportion
of AWD/4WD vehicles all trashed up than was actually on the road.



--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:3ffb1317$1@rutgers.edu...
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:3ffb1317$1@rutgers.edu...
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

 

Tim, your part-time 4x4 system didn't bind on the highway covered "in 3-4"
of fresh unplowed snow" because it won't bind if you're on a road totally
covered in snow, the tires can slip against the slippery snow and relieve
the binding between the f/r axles before it builds up too much.
L0nD0t.$t0we11 was right on saying a part-time 4x4 system should never be
used "on a highway unless it is extremely slippery"... and the totally
snow-covered highway you were on certainly qualifies as one.

Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
To email, remove 'me' from my email address
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

"Tim Hayes" <thayes@remove-me.rutgers.edu> wrote in message
news:3ffb1317$1@rutgers.edu...
> L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
>
> > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
>
> I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
>
> I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
>
> That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.
>
>

 

Jeez. I was in similar conditions for Hogmanay and we did more like 30 mph
down the motorway.
Apart from anything else, if I tried to pass anyone you couldn't see
anything for the crap that got blown my way.
It may have been slow, but despite the fairly dense traffic I didn't see one
person that had fallen off the road.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFB1F45.70A7B413@***.net...
> Hi Tim,
> If you drive the speed limit in the rain here in Kalifornia you
> will cited by a police officer for driving "too fast for conditions." :
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22350.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tim Hayes wrote:
> >
> > L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> >
> > > A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> > > time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> > > is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> > > up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> > > 4x4, 55 mph is insane.
> >
> > I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
> > the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
> > in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).
> >
> > I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
> > There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
> > I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.
> >
> > That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
> > reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
> > traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that
road.