Roughly 1/6/04 15:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Lon,
> Interesting how you note two wheel drive. I don't think most know
> the little rear engine 911 has been four wheel drive for a long time:

Some of the 911's have offered 4wd for quite some time...mainly
on the models where it helps with evening up the tire wear >:-)
And the newer 2wds don't have the horrid oversteer of the old
original 911's...much to the unhappiness of some of the older
purists.

I've always liked the handling of a good sports car in higher
speed slippery conditions...one where the power was more or
less balanced with the steering, brakes, tires, etc.

In deep stuff, I'd prefer a Corvair if no 4x4 was available.




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Roughly 1/6/04 15:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Lon,
> Interesting how you note two wheel drive. I don't think most know
> the little rear engine 911 has been four wheel drive for a long time:

Some of the 911's have offered 4wd for quite some time...mainly
on the models where it helps with evening up the tire wear >:-)
And the newer 2wds don't have the horrid oversteer of the old
original 911's...much to the unhappiness of some of the older
purists.

I've always liked the handling of a good sports car in higher
speed slippery conditions...one where the power was more or
less balanced with the steering, brakes, tires, etc.

In deep stuff, I'd prefer a Corvair if no 4x4 was available.




--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 15:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> Hi Lon,
> Interesting how you note two wheel drive. I don't think most know
> the little rear engine 911 has been four wheel drive for a long time:

Some of the 911's have offered 4wd for quite some time...mainly
on the models where it helps with evening up the tire wear >:-)
And the newer 2wds don't have the horrid oversteer of the old
original 911's...much to the unhappiness of some of the older
purists.

I've always liked the handling of a good sports car in higher
speed slippery conditions...one where the power was more or
less balanced with the steering, brakes, tires, etc.

In deep stuff, I'd prefer a Corvair if no 4x4 was available.




--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 15:19, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> ABS?

Only if it stands for Abject Blissful Stupidity, or in
the case of one, Abject BMW-Owner Stupidity.

These were mostly WalMart grade drivers anyway, with ABS
being almost a certainty.

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Roughly 1/6/04 15:19, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> ABS?

Only if it stands for Abject Blissful Stupidity, or in
the case of one, Abject BMW-Owner Stupidity.

These were mostly WalMart grade drivers anyway, with ABS
being almost a certainty.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 15:19, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> ABS?

Only if it stands for Abject Blissful Stupidity, or in
the case of one, Abject BMW-Owner Stupidity.

These were mostly WalMart grade drivers anyway, with ABS
being almost a certainty.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 14:44, Dave Milne's monkeys randomly typed:

> Jeez. I was in similar conditions for Hogmanay and we did more like 30 mph
> down the motorway.
> Apart from anything else, if I tried to pass anyone you couldn't see
> anything for the crap that got blown my way.

Thats one reason I prefer the Grand Cherokee for crappy
conditions. It is kinda hard to navigate in a sports car
where the top of the car is below the tire line of the
big semi's splattering slush all over the place.

However, have yet to drive a 4x4 [except a Porsche] with
the confidence inspiring handling of a good sports car...
just that you can't freaking see very well.

> It may have been slow, but despite the fairly dense traffic I didn't see one
> person that had fallen off the road.

This may be because you have bad weather often enough that the
stupid ones have all been Darwin'd already. Unlike California
where the reproduction rate exceeds the ability of Darwin to
remove stupid drivers from the highways.

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Roughly 1/6/04 14:44, Dave Milne's monkeys randomly typed:

> Jeez. I was in similar conditions for Hogmanay and we did more like 30 mph
> down the motorway.
> Apart from anything else, if I tried to pass anyone you couldn't see
> anything for the crap that got blown my way.

Thats one reason I prefer the Grand Cherokee for crappy
conditions. It is kinda hard to navigate in a sports car
where the top of the car is below the tire line of the
big semi's splattering slush all over the place.

However, have yet to drive a 4x4 [except a Porsche] with
the confidence inspiring handling of a good sports car...
just that you can't freaking see very well.

> It may have been slow, but despite the fairly dense traffic I didn't see one
> person that had fallen off the road.

This may be because you have bad weather often enough that the
stupid ones have all been Darwin'd already. Unlike California
where the reproduction rate exceeds the ability of Darwin to
remove stupid drivers from the highways.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 1/6/04 14:44, Dave Milne's monkeys randomly typed:

> Jeez. I was in similar conditions for Hogmanay and we did more like 30 mph
> down the motorway.
> Apart from anything else, if I tried to pass anyone you couldn't see
> anything for the crap that got blown my way.

Thats one reason I prefer the Grand Cherokee for crappy
conditions. It is kinda hard to navigate in a sports car
where the top of the car is below the tire line of the
big semi's splattering slush all over the place.

However, have yet to drive a 4x4 [except a Porsche] with
the confidence inspiring handling of a good sports car...
just that you can't freaking see very well.

> It may have been slow, but despite the fairly dense traffic I didn't see one
> person that had fallen off the road.

This may be because you have bad weather often enough that the
stupid ones have all been Darwin'd already. Unlike California
where the reproduction rate exceeds the ability of Darwin to
remove stupid drivers from the highways.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

FrankW <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in
news:8uCdnYwuoLcZiGaiRVn-sA@magma.ca:

>
>
> Barry Bean wrote:
>> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
>> news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:
>>
>>
>>>Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Let me be more specific-
>>>
>>> Always a good idea.
>>>
>>>>If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather
>>>>(i.e. drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to
>>>>use "full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely
>>>>---- in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>>>>speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>>>>speed.
>>>
>>> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
>>> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.
>>
>>
>> Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to
>> flow at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention
>> or efforts to maintain control.
>
> Yea! wait until you have to apply the brakes and stop quickly
> or a heavy gust of wind blows. Your eyes will be really wide open :-)

If I were speaking of conditions that interfered with braking, I would
have said so. I'm speaking of conditions that are primarily dry pavement
with occasional spots where traction is iffy. Conditions that let traffic
normally flow at or near the speed limit, but where a little bit of extra
control would be appreciated.

>> Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having
>> someone take your comments out of context, assume facts not in
>> evidence, and attack.
>>
> Driving at high speeds when 4x4 is required is just plain reckless!
> Asking how fast you can go in 4x4 on snow etc, is a stupid question in
> my opinion. I'll see you in the ditch :-)
>
> It seems every snowfall there are more SUV's in the ditch than even
> 2x4 cars etc. I wonder why ? Too cocky maybe

None of the SUVs, trucks, or cars I've driven have been in a ditch for
the past 20+ years, and I didn't ask about "driving at high speed on
snow." I asked about using Jeep's full time 4X4 at highway speeds in
borderline conditions. Maybe "patchy snow", "light snow", and "drizzle
near freezing" mean different things where you live, but in this part of
the country, traffic doesn't typically slow down until you actually get
road coverage, or conditions that have more wet/snow covered pavement
than dry pavement.