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Barry Bean 01-05-2004 06:00 PM

highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-05-2004 06:26 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/5/04 15:00, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
tickets.

e.g. the Porsche Cayenne Turbo will hit 160 mph easy, and
has a suspension that can keep it between the white
lines at that speed.

On the other hand, in a traditional 4x4 without ride height
control, I'll be darned if I'll risk much over 80 mph.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-05-2004 06:26 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/5/04 15:00, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
tickets.

e.g. the Porsche Cayenne Turbo will hit 160 mph easy, and
has a suspension that can keep it between the white
lines at that speed.

On the other hand, in a traditional 4x4 without ride height
control, I'll be darned if I'll risk much over 80 mph.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-05-2004 06:26 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/5/04 15:00, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
tickets.

e.g. the Porsche Cayenne Turbo will hit 160 mph easy, and
has a suspension that can keep it between the white
lines at that speed.

On the other hand, in a traditional 4x4 without ride height
control, I'll be darned if I'll risk much over 80 mph.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


CRWLR 01-05-2004 06:37 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I think the real question is not what is the max safe speed, but rather what
speed would you want to go in 4WD? The problem being that connecting all of
that stuff to the engine costs lots of gas, and if you can go so fast as to
be concerned that you are hurting anything, I think you should be wondering
if you can get better mileage at that speed if you shifted into 2WD.




"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?



CRWLR 01-05-2004 06:37 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I think the real question is not what is the max safe speed, but rather what
speed would you want to go in 4WD? The problem being that connecting all of
that stuff to the engine costs lots of gas, and if you can go so fast as to
be concerned that you are hurting anything, I think you should be wondering
if you can get better mileage at that speed if you shifted into 2WD.




"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?



CRWLR 01-05-2004 06:37 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I think the real question is not what is the max safe speed, but rather what
speed would you want to go in 4WD? The problem being that connecting all of
that stuff to the engine costs lots of gas, and if you can go so fast as to
be concerned that you are hurting anything, I think you should be wondering
if you can get better mileage at that speed if you shifted into 2WD.




"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?



Matt 01-05-2004 08:47 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I figure if I'm in 4wd, 55mph is plenty fast. That's as fast as I'll go, if
i find the need to use 4wd, and the conditions are right.

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'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
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Matt 01-05-2004 08:47 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I figure if I'm in 4wd, 55mph is plenty fast. That's as fast as I'll go, if
i find the need to use 4wd, and the conditions are right.

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Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
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Matt 01-05-2004 08:47 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I figure if I'm in 4wd, 55mph is plenty fast. That's as fast as I'll go, if
i find the need to use 4wd, and the conditions are right.

--
Matt
'03 TJ Sport
91 kawasaki 650sx
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JimG 01-05-2004 09:15 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I'm not sure where you are going with this, but my wife drives her AWD Astro
at 80+ mph on the interstate.

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JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?




JimG 01-05-2004 09:15 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I'm not sure where you are going with this, but my wife drives her AWD Astro
at 80+ mph on the interstate.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?




JimG 01-05-2004 09:15 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I'm not sure where you are going with this, but my wife drives her AWD Astro
at 80+ mph on the interstate.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?




Mike Romain 01-05-2004 09:59 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I run up in the 60 mph's using part time 4x4 depending on conditions.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Mike Romain 01-05-2004 09:59 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I run up in the 60 mph's using part time 4x4 depending on conditions.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Mike Romain 01-05-2004 09:59 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I run up in the 60 mph's using part time 4x4 depending on conditions.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Barry Bean wrote:
>
> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?


Barry Bean 01-06-2004 11:36 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:

>> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

>
> Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> tickets.
>


Let me be more specific-

If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.

Barry Bean 01-06-2004 11:36 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:

>> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

>
> Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> tickets.
>


Let me be more specific-

If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.

Barry Bean 01-06-2004 11:36 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:

>> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

>
> Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> tickets.
>


Let me be more specific-

If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.

JimG 01-06-2004 11:46 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94686BE725FF3eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:
>
> >> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

> >
> > Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> > definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> > tickets.
> >

>
> Let me be more specific-
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.




JimG 01-06-2004 11:46 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94686BE725FF3eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:
>
> >> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

> >
> > Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> > definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> > tickets.
> >

>
> Let me be more specific-
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.




JimG 01-06-2004 11:46 AM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.

--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94686BE725FF3eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> "L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
> news:1pmKb.230834$8y1.985290@attbi_s52:
>
> >> Whats the top safe speed to drive using full time 4X4?

> >
> > Depends on the vehicle and also whether or not your
> > definition of "safe" includes such hazards as speeding
> > tickets.
> >

>
> Let me be more specific-
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.




L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Let me be more specific-


Always a good idea.
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.


This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.

A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
4x4, 55 mph is insane.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Let me be more specific-


Always a good idea.
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.


This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.

A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
4x4, 55 mph is insane.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Let me be more specific-


Always a good idea.
>
> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use "full
> time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ---- in or out
> of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top speed, automatic
> disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway speed.


This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.

A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
4x4, 55 mph is insane.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>


On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>


On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


L0nD0t.$t0we11 01-06-2004 02:00 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:

> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>


On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.

--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.


JimG 01-06-2004 02:16 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I ain't drive'n no Libby in patchy snow!

I'll be the one in the black Fiero going by you at 70 on snow covered I-77 !

We ain't afraid of no snow here in the hills! :-)

JimG

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53...
> Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>




JimG 01-06-2004 02:16 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I ain't drive'n no Libby in patchy snow!

I'll be the one in the black Fiero going by you at 70 on snow covered I-77 !

We ain't afraid of no snow here in the hills! :-)

JimG

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53...
> Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>




JimG 01-06-2004 02:16 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
I ain't drive'n no Libby in patchy snow!

I'll be the one in the black Fiero going by you at 70 on snow covered I-77 !

We ain't afraid of no snow here in the hills! :-)

JimG

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53...
> Roughly 1/6/04 08:46, JimG's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
> >

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>




Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:41 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:

> Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>>
>> Let me be more specific-

>
> Always a good idea.
>>
>> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>> "full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>> in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>> speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>> speed.

>
> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
efforts to maintain control.

> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.


Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
attack.



Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:41 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:

> Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>>
>> Let me be more specific-

>
> Always a good idea.
>>
>> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>> "full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>> in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>> speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>> speed.

>
> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
efforts to maintain control.

> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.


Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
attack.



Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:41 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:2BDKb.144057$VB2.547466@attbi_s51:

> Roughly 1/6/04 08:36, Barry Bean's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>>
>> Let me be more specific-

>
> Always a good idea.
>>
>> If I'm driving my Jeep Liberty on the interstate in bad weather (i.e.
>> drizzle near freezing, light snow, patchy snow), is it safe to use
>> "full time 4X4" at speeds of 55-75? The manual says I can safely ----
>> in or out of 4wd at up to 55 mph, but makes no mention of a top
>> speed, automatic disengage speed, or other limit on 4X4 at highway
>> speed.

>
> This is probably because the manual mistakenly assumes something
> resembling self-preservation instincts on the part of the driver.


Please. Its not unusual to drive in conditions that allow traffic to flow
at the speed limit, but at the same time warrant extra attention or
efforts to maintain control.

> A full time 4wd can be left engaged at any speed, as it has the
> slippage needed. HOWEVER this does not mean it is anything
> less than insanely reckless, homicidal, and suicidal to actually
> drive at high speeds under degraded weather conditions.


Thanks, that's helpful. Nothing furthers a discussion like having someone
take your comments out of context, assume facts not in evidence, and
attack.



Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:43 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:

>> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>>

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.


The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:43 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:

>> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>>

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.


The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

Barry Bean 01-06-2004 02:43 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in
news:EBDKb.75063$I07.370485@attbi_s53:

>> 55-75+ mph should be no problem in your Libby.
>>

>
> On patchy snow? Please post your driving area and the
> color of your vehicle so I can avoid you like the plague.


The interstates will be full of drivers driving that same speed without
benefit of 4xd, front wd, snow tires, or experience. I'd think you'd
welcome the occasional driver who wants a little extra advantage.

Tim Hayes 01-06-2004 02:57 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:

> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.


I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.

That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.



Tim Hayes 01-06-2004 02:57 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:

> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.


I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.

That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.



Tim Hayes 01-06-2004 02:57 PM

Re: highway speed in full time 4X4?
 
L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:

> A full time 4x4 doesn't disengage at any speed. That is a part
> time 4x4 mode which should never be used on a highway unless it
> is extremely slippery...enough to keep the driveline from binding
> up. And if the highway is slippery enough to need part time
> 4x4, 55 mph is insane.


I disagree. Just last month I was traveling on I-78 in New Jersey during
the last blizzard we had. I was in 4wd-hi and moving at the speed limit
in 3-4" of fresh unplowed snow (the speed limit is 65).

I had no binding of the drivetrain and was in control of the vehicle.
There were few other cars on the road and whenever I caught up to one
I'd slow down as much as necessary to pass safely.

That was a blast, and I don't consider myself insane. This was no more
reckless than traveling 75mph on the same road in "bumper to bumper"
traffic during a rainstorm- conditions that happen regularly on that road.




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