high idle too long?
11-07-2004, 10:18 PM
#1
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high idle too long?
hi group,
i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
problemas:
* for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
* two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
miles straight
WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
codes, normal mpg, etc
i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
could some1 provide some input, pls?
thanx, pete
11-08-2004, 02:13 AM
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Re: high idle too long?
Hi Peter,
A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
11-08-2004, 02:13 AM
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Re: high idle too long?
Hi Peter,
A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
11-08-2004, 06:07 PM
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Re: high idle too long?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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| Hi Peter,
| A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
| throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
i will definately check that
thanks for the info
| good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
|
| "Peter D." wrote:
| >
| > hi group,
| > i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one
thing
| > that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
| >
| > whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800
and
| > then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are
two
| > problemas:
| > * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering
and
| > some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way
down.
| > ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
| > * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
| > start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
| > restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
| > miles straight
| > WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
| > i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up
time
| > is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all
restaring
| > a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
| >
| > there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know,
no
| > codes, normal mpg, etc
| > i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it
takes
| > to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
| >
| > could some1 provide some input, pls?
| > thanx, pete
11-08-2004, 06:07 PM
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Re: high idle too long?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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| Hi Peter,
| A couple of the first places to check are the idle step motor, and
| throttle position sensor, clean them, and make sure their connects are
i will definately check that
thanks for the info
| good: http://members.***.net/wilsond/tb/tb.html
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
|
| "Peter D." wrote:
| >
| > hi group,
| > i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one
thing
| > that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
| >
| > whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800
and
| > then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are
two
| > problemas:
| > * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering
and
| > some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way
down.
| > ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
| > * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
| > start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
| > restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
| > miles straight
| > WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
| > i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up
time
| > is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all
restaring
| > a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
| >
| > there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know,
no
| > codes, normal mpg, etc
| > i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it
takes
| > to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
| >
| > could some1 provide some input, pls?
| > thanx, pete
11-09-2004, 10:23 AM
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Re: high idle too long?
Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
11-09-2004, 10:23 AM
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Re: high idle too long?
Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
11-09-2004, 10:23 AM
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Re: high idle too long?
Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
choke actually working properly!
Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
it easily until it got hot.
It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
cylinders.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Peter D." wrote:
>
> hi group,
> i've had no problemas w /my '91 i6 yj in a long time but there is one thing
> that has bothered me ever since i noticed this happen
>
> whenever the jeep is started the engine's rpm starts out at some 1800 and
> then works its way down to about 750 rpm where it belongs. but there are two
> problemas:
> * for one, it takes a good minute for the rpms to even *begin* lowering and
> some three mins before the rpms cross the 1000 rpm mark on their way down.
> ISN'T THIS A BIT TOO LONG?
> * two, this same seemingly prolonged warm-up cycle occurs !every! time i
> start the jeep; be it on a wintery morning, staring from dead cold or
> restarting the engine after a five min rest stop, having just driven 100
> miles straight
> WOULD THIS BE NORMAL BEHAVIOR OF JEEP ENGINES?
> i also have a regular car, a caddy, circa '92, and its engine warm-up time
> is nowhere near that of the jeep's and there is no warm-up at all restaring
> a hot engine. why would my jeep be so different?
>
> there are absolutely no other problemas w/ the jeep engine that i know, no
> codes, normal mpg, etc
> i made these observations while being parked, just timing how long it takes
> to get the rpm down under diffrent conditions.
>
> could some1 provide some input, pls?
> thanx, pete
11-09-2004, 02:23 PM
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Re: high idle too long?
Choke? I don't need no stinkin' choke:
http://www.----------.com/holleySite.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
> choke actually working properly!
>
> Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
> drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
> to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
> it easily until it got hot.
>
> It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
> to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
> cylinders.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
http://www.----------.com/holleySite.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
> choke actually working properly!
>
> Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
> drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
> to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
> it easily until it got hot.
>
> It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
> to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
> cylinders.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
11-09-2004, 02:23 PM
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Re: high idle too long?
Choke? I don't need no stinkin' choke:
http://www.----------.com/holleySite.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
> choke actually working properly!
>
> Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
> drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
> to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
> it easily until it got hot.
>
> It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
> to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
> cylinders.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
http://www.----------.com/holleySite.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow! You have to live somewhere 'really' warm to complain about the
> choke actually working properly!
>
> Up here in Canada that stupid timer choke is a piece of crap because it
> drops the idle down before the engine is actually warmed up so you have
> to 2 foot drive for a while. I even went manual choke so I could drive
> it easily until it got hot.
>
> It is a timer choke that works strictly by how long it has seen 12 volts
> to shut off. 'Most' people I know think this is too fast for those big
> cylinders.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
