Here come the rear corners..
10-17-2003, 12:32 AM
#11
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Re: Here come the rear corners..
Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
10-17-2003, 12:32 AM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
10-17-2003, 12:32 AM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
Cherrs!
Perry
87YJ
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I wanted to load my Jeep down with garage, I think I'd
> completely silicone it on, no air pockets, much like the rubber door
> bumpers that go around passenger cars are now. And like the cars, I
> tried to get away without bolting them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> JimG wrote:
>
>>I have often wondered what is best as far as the silicone... seal it up and
>>trap in moisture or none at all so it drains and dries.
>>
>>--
>>JimG
>>80' CJ-7 258 CID
>>35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
>>D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
>>4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
>>Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
>>Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
10-17-2003, 12:57 AM
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Re: Here come the rear corners..
"Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
> Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
> There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
> Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
> electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
> from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
> Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
> aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
> seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
Credit Permatex's MSDS:
<quote>
1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
Item No: 81343
Product Type: Lubricant
2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
HYDROTREATED HEAVY
NAPHTHENIC
64742-52-5
50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
CALCIUM OXIDE
1305-78-8
15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
ALUMINIUM POWDER
(PYROPHORIC)
7429-90-5
5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
respirable
fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
GRAPHITE
7782-42-5
1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
MINERAL OIL
64741-44-2
1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
LITHIUM SOAP
7620-77-1
1-10
SILICA, QUARTZ
14808-60-7
0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
</quote>
Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
<quote>
PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
CATALOG NUMBER
All "30" Series
MANUFACTURER'S NAME
IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
(815) 895-5181
ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
None
CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
Petroleum-Based Mixture
FORMULA
Proprietary
SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
Listed as a carcinogen
in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
1910(z) (specify)
9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
</quote>
No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
__
Steve
..
10-17-2003, 12:57 AM
#15
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Re: Here come the rear corners..
"Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
> Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
> There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
> Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
> electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
> from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
> Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
> aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
> seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
Credit Permatex's MSDS:
<quote>
1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
Item No: 81343
Product Type: Lubricant
2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
HYDROTREATED HEAVY
NAPHTHENIC
64742-52-5
50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
CALCIUM OXIDE
1305-78-8
15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
ALUMINIUM POWDER
(PYROPHORIC)
7429-90-5
5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
respirable
fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
GRAPHITE
7782-42-5
1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
MINERAL OIL
64741-44-2
1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
LITHIUM SOAP
7620-77-1
1-10
SILICA, QUARTZ
14808-60-7
0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
</quote>
Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
<quote>
PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
CATALOG NUMBER
All "30" Series
MANUFACTURER'S NAME
IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
(815) 895-5181
ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
None
CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
Petroleum-Based Mixture
FORMULA
Proprietary
SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
Listed as a carcinogen
in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
1910(z) (specify)
9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
</quote>
No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
__
Steve
..
10-17-2003, 12:57 AM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
"Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
> Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
> There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
> Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
> electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
> from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
> Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
> aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
> seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
Credit Permatex's MSDS:
<quote>
1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
Item No: 81343
Product Type: Lubricant
2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
HYDROTREATED HEAVY
NAPHTHENIC
64742-52-5
50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
CALCIUM OXIDE
1305-78-8
15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
ALUMINIUM POWDER
(PYROPHORIC)
7429-90-5
5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
respirable
fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
GRAPHITE
7782-42-5
1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
MINERAL OIL
64741-44-2
1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
LITHIUM SOAP
7620-77-1
1-10
SILICA, QUARTZ
14808-60-7
0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
</quote>
Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
<quote>
PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
CATALOG NUMBER
All "30" Series
MANUFACTURER'S NAME
IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
(815) 895-5181
ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
None
CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
Petroleum-Based Mixture
FORMULA
Proprietary
SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
Listed as a carcinogen
in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
1910(z) (specify)
9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
</quote>
No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
__
Steve
..
10-17-2003, 02:07 AM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
Sorry, I beg to differ. I used it extensively in training folks on anti
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
10-17-2003, 02:07 AM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
Sorry, I beg to differ. I used it extensively in training folks on anti
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
10-17-2003, 02:07 AM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Here come the rear corners..
Sorry, I beg to differ. I used it extensively in training folks on anti
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
corrosion in the US Navy where salt water was always prevalent. I agree
there are other compounds but I'm partial to Zinc since it was (and
still is) the military's (Milspec Mil-T-22361) choice of compound of my
time. Military NSN: 8030-00-292-1102 Anti Seize compound is what I use
and is still a common product today in the Navy to protect steel and
aluminum components bolted on steel ships exposed to salt water. I'm not
willing to try something new since I have had no corrosion apparent
using this compound ever in the past 25 years. For a non military
resource ref: http://www.astinfo.com/
The main point though for which we both agree was to not isolate the two
metals electronically for fear of electrolysis or cathodic action which
leads to corrosion.
For anyone out there.... ever wonder why your cast aluminum fog lights
corrode so quickly? It's the lack of good grounding and proper medium
compounds to protect against it.
Cheers!
Perry
PS. It works great on battery terminals too!
Stephen Cowell wrote:
> "Perry Gagnon" <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> news:3F8F70E3.90608@nospam.perryshome.com...
>
>>Assuming the rear corners are metal.....
>>There's nothing good to be had from not grounding metals to metals.
>>Molding is plastic, thus nonconductive, and will be fine not being
>>electrically grounded to the vehicle ground. With metals, isolating them
>>from a ground can cause cathodic action and actually invite corrosion.
>>Especially if there is ferrous and non ferrous metals involved such as
>>aluminum diamond plate and steel. Bolting with zinc chromate paste (anti
>>seize) as the medium is highly recommended.
>
>
> They ain't no zinc chromate in anti-seize...
>
> Credit Permatex's MSDS:
> <quote>
> 1. PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION
> Product Name: 133AR ANTI-SEIZE LUBRICANT 1OZ
> Item No: 81343
> Product Type: Lubricant
> 2. COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
> Ingredients Percent ACGIH 8 Hr. TWA: OSHA 8 Hr. TWA:
> DISTILLATES (PETROLEUM),
> HYDROTREATED HEAVY
> NAPHTHENIC
> 64742-52-5
> 50-60 5 mg/m3 mist 5 mg/m3 mist
> CALCIUM OXIDE
> 1305-78-8
> 15-25 2 mg/m3 5 mg/m3
> ALUMINIUM POWDER
> (PYROPHORIC)
> 7429-90-5
> 5-15 metal dust, as Al: 10 mg/m3 TWA total dust, as Al: 15 mg/m3 TWA;
> respirable
> fraction, as Al: 5 mg/m3 TWA
> GRAPHITE
> 7782-42-5
> 1-10 2 mg/m3 TWA respir. 5 mg/m3 TWA respir.; 15mg/m3 total
> MINERAL OIL
> 64741-44-2
> 1-10 5 mg/m3 TWA 10 mg/m3 TWA
> LITHIUM SOAP
> 7620-77-1
> 1-10
> SILICA, QUARTZ
> 14808-60-7
> 0.1-1.0 0.05 mg/m3 TWA respirable 0.1 mg/m3 TWA respirable
> </quote>
>
> Now try *noalox*... from ideal industries website MSDS:
>
> <quote>
> PRODUCT NAME OR NUMBER (as it appears on label)
> Noalox® Anti-Oxidant
> CATALOG NUMBER
> All "30" Series
> MANUFACTURER'S NAME
> IDEAL INDUSTRIES, INC.
> EMERGENCY TELEPHONE NO.
> (815) 895-5181
> ADDRESS (Number, Street, City, State, Zip Code)
> Becker Place, Sycamore, IL 60178
> HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DESCRIPTION, PROPER SHIPPING NAME, HAZARD CLASS, HAZARD
> CLASS NO., HAZARD ID NO. (49 CFR 172.101)
> None
> CHEMICAL DESCRIPTION
> Petroleum-Based Mixture
> FORMULA
> Proprietary
> SECTION I - INGREDIENTS
> CAS REGISTRY NO. %W CHEMICAL NAME(S)*
> Listed as a carcinogen
> in NTP, I ARC or OSHA
> 1910(z) (specify)
> 9003-29-6 <80 Polybutene No
> 7440-66-6 20 Zinc Dust No
> 7631-86-9 <5 Silicon Dioxide No
> </quote>
>
> No zinc chromate there... but much closer to what the
> original poster needs. At least it has zinc, and is marketed
> for the specific reason of prevention of electrolysis.
> __
> Steve
> .
>
>
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