HELP!!! Drum just came off!
08-01-2004, 11:23 PM
#21
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Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
Thanks. I made sure not to mix up the drums. Should it move around the
axle end (don't know the proper term) like it does? Lots of play. Was
wondering if that was where my popping (clunking, whatever) sound was coming
from.
I also have a lot of play (1/8 turn) when it was in the air and in park.
The play isn't in the u-joint, it seems to be in the diff.
Eric
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33crg0dnkakhhi1gv3dfumm2qa3vd7bjhv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:50:37 GMT, "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> >the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These
things
> >were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I
said,
> >just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> >passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> >(still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the
driver's
> >side. What do you guys think???
> >
> >http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> >http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> The shoes look ok - the grooving is due to dirt or sand getting into
> the brake. I can't tell how much lining is left - if it is not worn to
> the rivies it should be ok.
>
> You need to adjust the star adjusters. They are supposed to be
> self-adjusting, but they get rusty. The best bet is to take the XJ to
> a shop and have the rear brakes rebuilt and adjusted. If you are
> willing to buy a manual and try it yourself, it isn't difficult.The
> parts are quite cheap.
>
> Don't mix up the drums - the left should go back on the left side of
> the axle. Unless you have them machined - then it doesn't matter where
> they go.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
axle end (don't know the proper term) like it does? Lots of play. Was
wondering if that was where my popping (clunking, whatever) sound was coming
from.
I also have a lot of play (1/8 turn) when it was in the air and in park.
The play isn't in the u-joint, it seems to be in the diff.
Eric
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:33crg0dnkakhhi1gv3dfumm2qa3vd7bjhv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:50:37 GMT, "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> >the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These
things
> >were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I
said,
> >just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> >passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> >(still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the
driver's
> >side. What do you guys think???
> >
> >http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> >http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> The shoes look ok - the grooving is due to dirt or sand getting into
> the brake. I can't tell how much lining is left - if it is not worn to
> the rivies it should be ok.
>
> You need to adjust the star adjusters. They are supposed to be
> self-adjusting, but they get rusty. The best bet is to take the XJ to
> a shop and have the rear brakes rebuilt and adjusted. If you are
> willing to buy a manual and try it yourself, it isn't difficult.The
> parts are quite cheap.
>
> Don't mix up the drums - the left should go back on the left side of
> the axle. Unless you have them machined - then it doesn't matter where
> they go.
>
> John
>
>
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
08-01-2004, 11:26 PM
#22
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Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
That is perfectly normal wear.
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
08-01-2004, 11:26 PM
#23
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Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
That is perfectly normal wear.
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
08-01-2004, 11:26 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
That is perfectly normal wear.
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
08-01-2004, 11:26 PM
#25
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Posts: n/a
Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
That is perfectly normal wear.
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
If one drum came off loose and floats and the other was snug on the
shoes, the adjuster for the one that came off easy is either seized or
the cable had slipped off the pivot slider or broke.
The groves are from a previous rock or spring that got on the drum and
gouged it a bit. When you free up the adjuster star wheel or fix the
cable, the shoes will conform to the drum really fast.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Eric wrote:
>
> Here are some pictures of the shoes. No way can this be normal. Look at
> the striping on one and the wear at the corners on the other. These things
> were put on only a few months ago. Also, the driver's side drum, as I said,
> just "fell" off. No effort. It moves around the axle end too. The
> passenger side had resistance from the shoes touching, but that was it
> (still came right off). Didn't move around nearly as much as the driver's
> side. What do you guys think???
>
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes2.jpg
> http://www.baileyscorner.com/images/passshoes.jpg
>
> Eric
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
> news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough,
> putting
> > my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires
> off
> > (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> > released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> > NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen
> and
> > that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
> >
> > What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> > something be holding it in place???
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
08-02-2004, 06:30 AM
#30
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Re: HELP!!! Drum just came off!
I'm not sure what your calling a "popping" noise but the shoes can make a
noise where they contact the backing plate. The cure for that is to clean and
lube slightly the backing plate where the shoes hit. The drum that pulled off
without any resistance needs the shoes tightened, there should be some drag. As
others have stated, there could/should be litttle star like spring clips over
one or two of the lug bolts holding the drums on. But that's no big deal. Now
about play, what are you talking about? I thought you were talking about in and
out end play. Then you mention the driveshaft. By looking at your pictures, the
whole area looks like it could use a good rust removal, cleaning and
lubricating in the right places.
JoBo
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough, putting
> my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires off
> (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen and
> that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
>
> What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> something be holding it in place???
>
> Eric
>
>
noise where they contact the backing plate. The cure for that is to clean and
lube slightly the backing plate where the shoes hit. The drum that pulled off
without any resistance needs the shoes tightened, there should be some drag. As
others have stated, there could/should be litttle star like spring clips over
one or two of the lug bolts holding the drums on. But that's no big deal. Now
about play, what are you talking about? I thought you were talking about in and
out end play. Then you mention the driveshaft. By looking at your pictures, the
whole area looks like it could use a good rust removal, cleaning and
lubricating in the right places.
JoBo
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message
news:s1hPc.11852$_25.1976@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Was investigating that popping noise on my wife's XJ. Sure enough, putting
> my hands at 12 and 6 and tugging produced a "clunk". I popped the tires off
> (NOT easy -- those were the TIGHTEST lugs I have ever loosened) and when I
> released the e-brake, the drum just came right off. NO effort. I no
> NOTHING about brakes, but I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to happen and
> that is the source of the popping sound when she stops.
>
> What the heck do I do now???? Do I just put the drum back on? Shouldn't
> something be holding it in place???
>
> Eric
>
>