Jerry Bransford

Not all Corvettes came with 4 row. Corvettes have come with 2, 3, and 4
row radiators right from the factory.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Corvette are four row.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>I am going to be in need of a new rad soon, mine has been patched almost
>>beyond belief because I snapped it in half a couple times. I have put
>>new side brackets on, but the cores have been stretched bad.
>>
>>My 2 row isn't enough on hot days because my winch and lights are
>>cutting air flow.
>>
>>The two row has room for the third row in it. The water cores are the
>>same size and placement, just one row is missing. All the stock or
>>replacement ones I have seen are like that, they don't make larger water
>>channels, they just leave one or two rows out.
>>
>>From your comments I would think you have seen custom rads with larger
>>water channels????
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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Billy Ray

From www.radiator.com website

"Add more surface area. If none of the other tips can get your engine cooled
enough, you probably have to add a bigger radiator. No matter what a
radiator is made from - copper, brass, aluminum, steel, lead - the more
surface area, the better. Of course, each type of material has its own
advantages and disadvantages and you will have to figure out what suits your
requirements best."

It might be best to call a real radiator shop and talk to them about your
use and the blockage from the winch, lights, low speed use, etc. and get
their opinion. A standard Jeep radiator replacement is probably not the
answer.

The web site sited has an augument about how many tubes, of a given size,
will fit into a specific area. This would be true IF the radiators were the
same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

I am not saying that you should add cores till you touch the fan but, in
general, the more cores the more surface area the more cooling ability.

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"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
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> One thing about 3 row vs. 2 row radiators, 2-row radiators are usually
> more efficient at cooling. 2-row radiators have room for larger water
> channels with more air space between them which helps them cool more
> efficiently, especially at low offroad speeds.. More, in the case of
> radiator rows, is not always better in this case.
>
> There's a good thread on this going at
> http://65.42.106.152/forums/showthre...97#post5872697 which has
> surprised a lot of Jeepers who automatically thought 3-row radiators would
> naturally be better than 2-row.
>
> Jerry
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Billy Ray

From www.radiator.com website

"Add more surface area. If none of the other tips can get your engine cooled
enough, you probably have to add a bigger radiator. No matter what a
radiator is made from - copper, brass, aluminum, steel, lead - the more
surface area, the better. Of course, each type of material has its own
advantages and disadvantages and you will have to figure out what suits your
requirements best."

It might be best to call a real radiator shop and talk to them about your
use and the blockage from the winch, lights, low speed use, etc. and get
their opinion. A standard Jeep radiator replacement is probably not the
answer.

The web site sited has an augument about how many tubes, of a given size,
will fit into a specific area. This would be true IF the radiators were the
same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

I am not saying that you should add cores till you touch the fan but, in
general, the more cores the more surface area the more cooling ability.

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"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
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> One thing about 3 row vs. 2 row radiators, 2-row radiators are usually
> more efficient at cooling. 2-row radiators have room for larger water
> channels with more air space between them which helps them cool more
> efficiently, especially at low offroad speeds.. More, in the case of
> radiator rows, is not always better in this case.
>
> There's a good thread on this going at
> http://65.42.106.152/forums/showthre...97#post5872697 which has
> surprised a lot of Jeepers who automatically thought 3-row radiators would
> naturally be better than 2-row.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Billy Ray

From www.radiator.com website

"Add more surface area. If none of the other tips can get your engine cooled
enough, you probably have to add a bigger radiator. No matter what a
radiator is made from - copper, brass, aluminum, steel, lead - the more
surface area, the better. Of course, each type of material has its own
advantages and disadvantages and you will have to figure out what suits your
requirements best."

It might be best to call a real radiator shop and talk to them about your
use and the blockage from the winch, lights, low speed use, etc. and get
their opinion. A standard Jeep radiator replacement is probably not the
answer.

The web site sited has an augument about how many tubes, of a given size,
will fit into a specific area. This would be true IF the radiators were the
same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

I am not saying that you should add cores till you touch the fan but, in
general, the more cores the more surface area the more cooling ability.

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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:T%W%e.78278$ct5.74343@fed1read04...
> One thing about 3 row vs. 2 row radiators, 2-row radiators are usually
> more efficient at cooling. 2-row radiators have room for larger water
> channels with more air space between them which helps them cool more
> efficiently, especially at low offroad speeds.. More, in the case of
> radiator rows, is not always better in this case.
>
> There's a good thread on this going at
> http://65.42.106.152/forums/showthre...97#post5872697 which has
> surprised a lot of Jeepers who automatically thought 3-row radiators would
> naturally be better than 2-row.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
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> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
low speeds. :)

Jerry
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Jerry Bransford

Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
low speeds. :)

Jerry
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Jerry Bransford

Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.

While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
low speeds. :)

Jerry
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Mike Romain

I have a fixed fan and don't have low speed cooling issues at all. My
problem is at high speed.

The 'stock' radiators I see are all the same 'thickness', they just
leave space blank for a second or 3rd row.

I have seen custom rads for Vette engines that were 2 row with really
wide rows.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> > same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> > thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.
>
> While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
> sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
> radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
> the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
> the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
> many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
> or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
> they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
> low speeds. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
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Mike Romain

I have a fixed fan and don't have low speed cooling issues at all. My
problem is at high speed.

The 'stock' radiators I see are all the same 'thickness', they just
leave space blank for a second or 3rd row.

I have seen custom rads for Vette engines that were 2 row with really
wide rows.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> > same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> > thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.
>
> While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
> sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
> radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
> the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
> the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
> many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
> or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
> they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
> low speeds. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
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> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Mike Romain

I have a fixed fan and don't have low speed cooling issues at all. My
problem is at high speed.

The 'stock' radiators I see are all the same 'thickness', they just
leave space blank for a second or 3rd row.

I have seen custom rads for Vette engines that were 2 row with really
wide rows.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Billy Ray wrote:This would be true IF the radiators were the
> > same thickness but they are NOT. 1 cores are thinner than 2 cores that are
> > thinner than 3 cores that are thinner than 4 cores, etc.
>
> While that may be true of the import radiators that particular shop
> sells, that's not true of all aftermarket radiators. The 2 row
> radiators made by the two manufacturers I spoke to about this are about
> the same thickness as other 3 row and even some 4 row. That's how both
> the water channels and spacing demensions between them are bigger in
> many 2 row radiators. By the way, it's not 2, 3, or 4 core, it's 2, 3,
> or 4 row. And why most into slow-speed offroading that know what
> they're doing choose two row radiators because they cool far better at
> low speeds. :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
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