Head scratcher of the day
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Head scratcher of the day
I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
front tires, both sides.
I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
spring mounting pad spacing?
1979 CJ-5
258ci, 3-spd
Pretty much stone stock.
#2
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
Jeep did that with the Grand Wagoneer to aid the turning circle if that
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
#3
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
Jeep did that with the Grand Wagoneer to aid the turning circle if that
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
#4
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
Jeep did that with the Grand Wagoneer to aid the turning circle if that
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
#5
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
Jeep did that with the Grand Wagoneer to aid the turning circle if that
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
makes you feel better :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0405311833420.3717@panix1.panix .com...
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
>
#6
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
That's normal, Ford and Chevy four wheelers do the same. I aids in
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
#7
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
That's normal, Ford and Chevy four wheelers do the same. I aids in
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
#8
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
That's normal, Ford and Chevy four wheelers do the same. I aids in
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
#9
Guest
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
That's normal, Ford and Chevy four wheelers do the same. I aids in
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
front rut.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
>
> My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
>
> I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> front tires, both sides.
>
> I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
>
> Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> spring mounting pad spacing?
>
> 1979 CJ-5
> 258ci, 3-spd
> Pretty much stone stock.
#10
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Re: Head scratcher of the day
Thanks. I guess that I'd just never noticed it before, but it is good to
know that it is normal.
You would think that it would make the truck a little squirrelly, even on
pavement.
On Mon, 31 May 2004, L.W.([iso-8859-1] ßill) ------ III wrote:
> That's normal, Ford and Chevy four wheelers do the same. I aids in
> offroad ability having the front and rear not track the same, even
> though it seems the rear would be more likely to flop around finding the
> front rut.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > I can't figure it out. This can't be normal.
> >
> > My `79 CJ-5 with about 30 miles on its ground-up reincarnation is doing
> > something wacky with where it wants its tires to sit -- the fronts are
> > farther apart than the rears. The fronts measure 43 5/8", between the
> > inside sidewalls, the rears measure 42 1/4" between the inside sidewalls.
> >
> > I thought that maybe it was my mix-n-match set of boneyard wheels (I
> > wanted plain stamped steels for their looks) doing wacky things with
> > backspacing, but I swapped the left side front to rear and the numbers
> > come back the same (I didn't try swapping the right side). Sighting down
> > the outside of the rear tires I'm looking about 1" into the tread on the
> > front tires, both sides.
> >
> > I did sent the axles out for new seals (oh, a year and a half ago now) and
> > I'm reasonably certain that I got the same ones back.
> >
> > Any ideas, anyone? Did Jeep ever make an axle that is /almost/ the same
> > as a stock CJ's, but 1 3/8" wider or narrower, and one that used the same
> > spring mounting pad spacing?
> >
> > 1979 CJ-5
> > 258ci, 3-spd
> > Pretty much stone stock.
>