Peter Pontbriand

That foot long 'tail' is just an extension put on by the factory in dual-top
models where the softtop is shipped folded down inside the hard top. It
simple lets the wiring reach around the folded softtop. You are supposed to
throw it away.

/Peter

"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:2vWdnWyEd_DrJebcRVn-sQ@rogers.com...
> I've got an '02 TJ and did get this little foot long 'tail' but to
> behonest....I don't remember what it was hooked up to in the before I took
> my hard top off for the first time. But, the existing wiring (without the
> tail) is the right length to easily reach the hardtop plug and all my
stuff
> seems to work (wiper does anyways....haven't tried the defroster yet --
> looking at the weather tells me it'll be soon enough!).
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:417BB178.C8B73C29@sympatico.ca...
> >I could be off here, but you need two harnesses I think. One is for the
> > Jeep and a second one 'converts' the Jeep harness to the top harness. I
> > think the second one is only a foot long or so.
> >
> > My memory might be off on this, but I think that is what others have
> > posted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Intergate wrote:
> >>
> >> Just put a Factory hard top on my 2004 TJ and put in the factory
> >> wiring kit also.
> >>
> >> The kit goes in pretty easy but when I reconnected the battery the
> >> Rear Defroster switch is on all the time, including with key off!
> >>
> >> The plug they want you to put it in mates with a hot wire in the
> >> harness, which seems to be ok I think.
> >>
> >> I unhooked that wire,(Black and White) for those familiar with the
> >> kit, and ran power from the battery to it and the light on the switch
> >> lights up, and will not go off by hitting the switch.
> >>
> >> I am wondering if I have a bad relay,(supplied in Kit) or bad
> >> switch(also supplied in kit) or if they gave me a wrong kit for a
> >> 2004.
> >>
> >> Also there are two wires that go to a plug in the instrument cluster
> >> that seems to do nothing. I am assuming those make some lights in the
> >> cluster light up when the defroster and wiper are on.
> >>
> >> Can some one that has put this kit in help me out. I need a wiring
> >> diagram for that defrost circuit.
> >>
> >> I need to try and test this switch and relay if possible so I can get
> >> them replaced if bad.
> >>
> >> One more thing. The kit comes with a 10amp fuse that seems to go
> >> nowhere, cause in the instructions it does not mention the fuse at
> >> all, which is also making me think the wrong kit was in the bag.
> >>
> >> The instructions just say,"Hard top wiring kit for Jeep Wrangler" and
> >> does not mention any years. although the part number on the bag is for
> >> the 2004.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> [____]
> >> (OIIIIIIO)
> >>
> >>
>
>

Peter Pontbriand

That foot long 'tail' is just an extension put on by the factory in dual-top
models where the softtop is shipped folded down inside the hard top. It
simple lets the wiring reach around the folded softtop. You are supposed to
throw it away.

/Peter

"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:2vWdnWyEd_DrJebcRVn-sQ@rogers.com...
> I've got an '02 TJ and did get this little foot long 'tail' but to
> behonest....I don't remember what it was hooked up to in the before I took
> my hard top off for the first time. But, the existing wiring (without the
> tail) is the right length to easily reach the hardtop plug and all my
stuff
> seems to work (wiper does anyways....haven't tried the defroster yet --
> looking at the weather tells me it'll be soon enough!).
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:417BB178.C8B73C29@sympatico.ca...
> >I could be off here, but you need two harnesses I think. One is for the
> > Jeep and a second one 'converts' the Jeep harness to the top harness. I
> > think the second one is only a foot long or so.
> >
> > My memory might be off on this, but I think that is what others have
> > posted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Intergate wrote:
> >>
> >> Just put a Factory hard top on my 2004 TJ and put in the factory
> >> wiring kit also.
> >>
> >> The kit goes in pretty easy but when I reconnected the battery the
> >> Rear Defroster switch is on all the time, including with key off!
> >>
> >> The plug they want you to put it in mates with a hot wire in the
> >> harness, which seems to be ok I think.
> >>
> >> I unhooked that wire,(Black and White) for those familiar with the
> >> kit, and ran power from the battery to it and the light on the switch
> >> lights up, and will not go off by hitting the switch.
> >>
> >> I am wondering if I have a bad relay,(supplied in Kit) or bad
> >> switch(also supplied in kit) or if they gave me a wrong kit for a
> >> 2004.
> >>
> >> Also there are two wires that go to a plug in the instrument cluster
> >> that seems to do nothing. I am assuming those make some lights in the
> >> cluster light up when the defroster and wiper are on.
> >>
> >> Can some one that has put this kit in help me out. I need a wiring
> >> diagram for that defrost circuit.
> >>
> >> I need to try and test this switch and relay if possible so I can get
> >> them replaced if bad.
> >>
> >> One more thing. The kit comes with a 10amp fuse that seems to go
> >> nowhere, cause in the instructions it does not mention the fuse at
> >> all, which is also making me think the wrong kit was in the bag.
> >>
> >> The instructions just say,"Hard top wiring kit for Jeep Wrangler" and
> >> does not mention any years. although the part number on the bag is for
> >> the 2004.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> [____]
> >> (OIIIIIIO)
> >>
> >>
>
>

Intergate

I guess I need to clarify.

With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
defroster
itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
or
not.

I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
harness as
shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
believe
relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
if the
defroster switch is on or off.

The TJ came with only a soft top originally.

I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
install it.
Only one harness, no pigtail,

The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
am
wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas





--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)

Intergate

I guess I need to clarify.

With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
defroster
itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
or
not.

I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
harness as
shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
believe
relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
if the
defroster switch is on or off.

The TJ came with only a soft top originally.

I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
install it.
Only one harness, no pigtail,

The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
am
wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas





--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)

Intergate

I guess I need to clarify.

With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
defroster
itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
or
not.

I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
harness as
shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
believe
relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
if the
defroster switch is on or off.

The TJ came with only a soft top originally.

I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
install it.
Only one harness, no pigtail,

The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
am
wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas





--
Tim

[____]
(OIIIIIIO)

Mike Romain

I have recently seen some 'bad' relays out there. Hella for one now
uses them. They do not have a standard 'bosch' relay pin out!

I also recently tried to use the Hella directions to help someone
install their light harness and the directions had the relay energized
all the time. They even used the 'right' pin numbers for the screwy
relay and got it totally wrong.

I would be looking on the bottom of the relay to see if it has the bosch
style numbers on the pins. 30, 87, 87A, 85 and 86. 85 and 86 are the
trigger wires and 30 to 87 is main power on when triggered. 30 to 87A
is main power on when off.

If they are not numbered, then the trigger should have something like 60
ohms across the pins, the power on will be an open and the power on when
off will be almost 0. Or just take the cover off it and look.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Intergate wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify.
>
> With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
> ,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
> defroster
> itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
> or
> not.
>
> I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
> installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
> harness as
> shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
> believe
> relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
> if the
> defroster switch is on or off.
>
> The TJ came with only a soft top originally.
>
> I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
> install it.
> Only one harness, no pigtail,
>
> The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
> am
> wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas
>
> --
> Tim
>
> [____]
> (OIIIIIIO)

Mike Romain

I have recently seen some 'bad' relays out there. Hella for one now
uses them. They do not have a standard 'bosch' relay pin out!

I also recently tried to use the Hella directions to help someone
install their light harness and the directions had the relay energized
all the time. They even used the 'right' pin numbers for the screwy
relay and got it totally wrong.

I would be looking on the bottom of the relay to see if it has the bosch
style numbers on the pins. 30, 87, 87A, 85 and 86. 85 and 86 are the
trigger wires and 30 to 87 is main power on when triggered. 30 to 87A
is main power on when off.

If they are not numbered, then the trigger should have something like 60
ohms across the pins, the power on will be an open and the power on when
off will be almost 0. Or just take the cover off it and look.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Intergate wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify.
>
> With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
> ,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
> defroster
> itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
> or
> not.
>
> I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
> installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
> harness as
> shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
> believe
> relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
> if the
> defroster switch is on or off.
>
> The TJ came with only a soft top originally.
>
> I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
> install it.
> Only one harness, no pigtail,
>
> The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
> am
> wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas
>
> --
> Tim
>
> [____]
> (OIIIIIIO)

Mike Romain

I have recently seen some 'bad' relays out there. Hella for one now
uses them. They do not have a standard 'bosch' relay pin out!

I also recently tried to use the Hella directions to help someone
install their light harness and the directions had the relay energized
all the time. They even used the 'right' pin numbers for the screwy
relay and got it totally wrong.

I would be looking on the bottom of the relay to see if it has the bosch
style numbers on the pins. 30, 87, 87A, 85 and 86. 85 and 86 are the
trigger wires and 30 to 87 is main power on when triggered. 30 to 87A
is main power on when off.

If they are not numbered, then the trigger should have something like 60
ohms across the pins, the power on will be an open and the power on when
off will be almost 0. Or just take the cover off it and look.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Intergate wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify.
>
> With the power wire for the defroster hooks to the harness in the pin
> ,(Slot) they say to put it in. The defroster Light on switch and
> defroster
> itself is always on as soon as battery is connected, whether key is on
> or
> not.
>
> I bypassed harness and ran battery power directly to wire in harness I
> installed with Top Kit and same thing happens, so wire being in
> harness as
> shown in install sheet makes no difference, which is leading me to
> believe
> relay is bad and energized as soon as it gets battery power no matter
> if the
> defroster switch is on or off.
>
> The TJ came with only a soft top originally.
>
> I bought the factory hard top and wiring kit needed per Mopar to
> install it.
> Only one harness, no pigtail,
>
> The relay for the ATX looks like the same one supplied with kit, and I
> am
> wondering if I could use it to see if the one I got is bad. Any Ideas
>
> --
> Tim
>
> [____]
> (OIIIIIIO)

Tomes

I agree with this answer as it was the same way with my 02 TJ
Tomes

"Peter Pontbriand" <sprocket.who.hates.spam@storm.ca> wrote in message
news:clj301$i3r$1@news.storm.ca...
> That foot long 'tail' is just an extension put on by the factory in
dual-top
> models where the softtop is shipped folded down inside the hard top. It
> simple lets the wiring reach around the folded softtop. You are supposed
to
> throw it away.
>
> /Peter
>
> "SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:2vWdnWyEd_DrJebcRVn-sQ@rogers.com...
> > I've got an '02 TJ and did get this little foot long 'tail' but to
> > behonest....I don't remember what it was hooked up to in the before I
took
> > my hard top off for the first time. But, the existing wiring (without
the
> > tail) is the right length to easily reach the hardtop plug and all my
> stuff
> > seems to work (wiper does anyways....haven't tried the defroster yet --
> > looking at the weather tells me it'll be soon enough!).
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:417BB178.C8B73C29@sympatico.ca...
> > >I could be off here, but you need two harnesses I think. One is for
the
> > > Jeep and a second one 'converts' the Jeep harness to the top harness.
I
> > > think the second one is only a foot long or so.
> > >
> > > My memory might be off on this, but I think that is what others have
> > > posted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Intergate wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just put a Factory hard top on my 2004 TJ and put in the factory
> > >> wiring kit also.
> > >>
> > >> The kit goes in pretty easy but when I reconnected the battery the
> > >> Rear Defroster switch is on all the time, including with key off!
> > >>
> > >> The plug they want you to put it in mates with a hot wire in the
> > >> harness, which seems to be ok I think.
> > >>
> > >> I unhooked that wire,(Black and White) for those familiar with the
> > >> kit, and ran power from the battery to it and the light on the switch
> > >> lights up, and will not go off by hitting the switch.
> > >>
> > >> I am wondering if I have a bad relay,(supplied in Kit) or bad
> > >> switch(also supplied in kit) or if they gave me a wrong kit for a
> > >> 2004.
> > >>
> > >> Also there are two wires that go to a plug in the instrument cluster
> > >> that seems to do nothing. I am assuming those make some lights in the
> > >> cluster light up when the defroster and wiper are on.
> > >>
> > >> Can some one that has put this kit in help me out. I need a wiring
> > >> diagram for that defrost circuit.
> > >>
> > >> I need to try and test this switch and relay if possible so I can get
> > >> them replaced if bad.
> > >>
> > >> One more thing. The kit comes with a 10amp fuse that seems to go
> > >> nowhere, cause in the instructions it does not mention the fuse at
> > >> all, which is also making me think the wrong kit was in the bag.
> > >>
> > >> The instructions just say,"Hard top wiring kit for Jeep Wrangler" and
> > >> does not mention any years. although the part number on the bag is
for
> > >> the 2004.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >> [____]
> > >> (OIIIIIIO)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>

Tomes

I agree with this answer as it was the same way with my 02 TJ
Tomes

"Peter Pontbriand" <sprocket.who.hates.spam@storm.ca> wrote in message
news:clj301$i3r$1@news.storm.ca...
> That foot long 'tail' is just an extension put on by the factory in
dual-top
> models where the softtop is shipped folded down inside the hard top. It
> simple lets the wiring reach around the folded softtop. You are supposed
to
> throw it away.
>
> /Peter
>
> "SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:2vWdnWyEd_DrJebcRVn-sQ@rogers.com...
> > I've got an '02 TJ and did get this little foot long 'tail' but to
> > behonest....I don't remember what it was hooked up to in the before I
took
> > my hard top off for the first time. But, the existing wiring (without
the
> > tail) is the right length to easily reach the hardtop plug and all my
> stuff
> > seems to work (wiper does anyways....haven't tried the defroster yet --
> > looking at the weather tells me it'll be soon enough!).
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:417BB178.C8B73C29@sympatico.ca...
> > >I could be off here, but you need two harnesses I think. One is for
the
> > > Jeep and a second one 'converts' the Jeep harness to the top harness.
I
> > > think the second one is only a foot long or so.
> > >
> > > My memory might be off on this, but I think that is what others have
> > > posted.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Intergate wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just put a Factory hard top on my 2004 TJ and put in the factory
> > >> wiring kit also.
> > >>
> > >> The kit goes in pretty easy but when I reconnected the battery the
> > >> Rear Defroster switch is on all the time, including with key off!
> > >>
> > >> The plug they want you to put it in mates with a hot wire in the
> > >> harness, which seems to be ok I think.
> > >>
> > >> I unhooked that wire,(Black and White) for those familiar with the
> > >> kit, and ran power from the battery to it and the light on the switch
> > >> lights up, and will not go off by hitting the switch.
> > >>
> > >> I am wondering if I have a bad relay,(supplied in Kit) or bad
> > >> switch(also supplied in kit) or if they gave me a wrong kit for a
> > >> 2004.
> > >>
> > >> Also there are two wires that go to a plug in the instrument cluster
> > >> that seems to do nothing. I am assuming those make some lights in the
> > >> cluster light up when the defroster and wiper are on.
> > >>
> > >> Can some one that has put this kit in help me out. I need a wiring
> > >> diagram for that defrost circuit.
> > >>
> > >> I need to try and test this switch and relay if possible so I can get
> > >> them replaced if bad.
> > >>
> > >> One more thing. The kit comes with a 10amp fuse that seems to go
> > >> nowhere, cause in the instructions it does not mention the fuse at
> > >> all, which is also making me think the wrong kit was in the bag.
> > >>
> > >> The instructions just say,"Hard top wiring kit for Jeep Wrangler" and
> > >> does not mention any years. although the part number on the bag is
for
> > >> the 2004.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Tim
> > >>
> > >> [____]
> > >> (OIIIIIIO)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>