Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in
news:Au8cc.2994$q23.29688946@news-text.cableinet.net:

> From reading the 2nd Amendment, isn't the intention of it that you had
> the right to bear arms in defence of yourself and the state as part of
> a well regulated militia ?

No. In point of fact, that's why they included the phrase "shall not be
infringed" in reference to the right of *the people* to keep and bear arms.

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

If you want to play army, why don't you join?

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404232340482-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <Ag5cc.14927$w84.1170535@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > Apparently all of you saw what you wanted to see in my post...take
it
| > for what you will. But no one can tell me they honestly need a
fully
| > automatic weapon for anything but mowing down gangbangers and the
| > Taliban.
|
| I need one because it is my civic duty to be prepared to report with
an
| appropriate weapon, ammunition, and other gear in the event that the
| militia is called up. I also need it in order to defend my family,
home
| and belongings from looters and other criminals in the event that
| another disaster like the '64 quake hits, and lastly so that I can
| resist a tyrannical government when it finally comes to that. I'm
not
| particularly worried about gangbangers; when they see one of their
| colleagues go down with a .458" hole in his chest they will scatter.
No
| need for automatic fire.
|
| > That's all I need it for..and covering my ass when I am in
| > the middle of the Saudi desert working on airplanes that carry
40,000
| > pounds of laser guided high explosives.
|
| Sounds like a good place for you.
|
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Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

If you want to play army, why don't you join?

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404232340482-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <Ag5cc.14927$w84.1170535@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > Apparently all of you saw what you wanted to see in my post...take
it
| > for what you will. But no one can tell me they honestly need a
fully
| > automatic weapon for anything but mowing down gangbangers and the
| > Taliban.
|
| I need one because it is my civic duty to be prepared to report with
an
| appropriate weapon, ammunition, and other gear in the event that the
| militia is called up. I also need it in order to defend my family,
home
| and belongings from looters and other criminals in the event that
| another disaster like the '64 quake hits, and lastly so that I can
| resist a tyrannical government when it finally comes to that. I'm
not
| particularly worried about gangbangers; when they see one of their
| colleagues go down with a .458" hole in his chest they will scatter.
No
| need for automatic fire.
|
| > That's all I need it for..and covering my ass when I am in
| > the middle of the Saudi desert working on airplanes that carry
40,000
| > pounds of laser guided high explosives.
|
| Sounds like a good place for you.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

If you want to play army, why don't you join?

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404232340482-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <Ag5cc.14927$w84.1170535@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > Apparently all of you saw what you wanted to see in my post...take
it
| > for what you will. But no one can tell me they honestly need a
fully
| > automatic weapon for anything but mowing down gangbangers and the
| > Taliban.
|
| I need one because it is my civic duty to be prepared to report with
an
| appropriate weapon, ammunition, and other gear in the event that the
| militia is called up. I also need it in order to defend my family,
home
| and belongings from looters and other criminals in the event that
| another disaster like the '64 quake hits, and lastly so that I can
| resist a tyrannical government when it finally comes to that. I'm
not
| particularly worried about gangbangers; when they see one of their
| colleagues go down with a .458" hole in his chest they will scatter.
No
| need for automatic fire.
|
| > That's all I need it for..and covering my ass when I am in
| > the middle of the Saudi desert working on airplanes that carry
40,000
| > pounds of laser guided high explosives.
|
| Sounds like a good place for you.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
| Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

If you want to play army, why don't you join?

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NC
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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404232340482-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <Ag5cc.14927$w84.1170535@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > Apparently all of you saw what you wanted to see in my post...take
it
| > for what you will. But no one can tell me they honestly need a
fully
| > automatic weapon for anything but mowing down gangbangers and the
| > Taliban.
|
| I need one because it is my civic duty to be prepared to report with
an
| appropriate weapon, ammunition, and other gear in the event that the
| militia is called up. I also need it in order to defend my family,
home
| and belongings from looters and other criminals in the event that
| another disaster like the '64 quake hits, and lastly so that I can
| resist a tyrannical government when it finally comes to that. I'm
not
| particularly worried about gangbangers; when they see one of their
| colleagues go down with a .458" hole in his chest they will scatter.
No
| need for automatic fire.
|
| > That's all I need it for..and covering my ass when I am in
| > the middle of the Saudi desert working on airplanes that carry
40,000
| > pounds of laser guided high explosives.
|
| Sounds like a good place for you.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
| Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

Now Del, you whine because we are off topic, but you are into the fray
too, pal. Don't be nonsensical.

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404233430007-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <jw5cc.14932$w84.1171481@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > SB, if you are asking me my middle ground...it is simply this.
| > Education. Use weapons appropriately. This is a few bad apples
| > thing...and I know ppl hunt with off the wall sh!t...I can hear it
at
| > night in the middle of the season. Some idiot put a bullet into a
| > school while he was hunting just recently. Now, tell me, why was
he
| > even aiming his weapon at a school??? Exactly, he should not have
| > been. He lost situation awareness, or he is just plain dumb.
Either
| > way, he obviously needs an education...whether it be how to
maintain
| > bearing, or "Hey dipshit, the school is right next to the big
water
| > tower you can see from 3 miles away."
|
| Which has ---- all to do with some guy who just wants to keep his
| handgun from getting swiped out of his TJ when he can't take it
inside
| with him.
|
| > And I know full well it doesn't
| > take a 30.06 to bag a deer. There's no damn meat left for jerky
if
| > you do that (entry point dependent, of course.) A wooly mammoth,
| > maybe.
|
| You can kill a deer with a .22LR if you really want (have) to. It
is
| also illegal in every US jurisdiction of which I am aware, because
it
| just doesn't dispose of enough energy to kill it cleanly, unless one
is
| a master marksman (who would know better). With proper bullet
placement,
| a 30-06 is as near to an ideal deer cartridge as can be devised, and
| will NOT ruin excessive amounts of meat. We have a responsibility
to
| the animals we hunt to use a round that will make a clean, humane
kill.
| Period. A 7.62x39 or .223 will do the job at closer ranges using
proper
| bullets (i.e. not FMJ) but most hunters do not like to limit
themselves
| to close ranges and will (should) choose a more powerful round.
|
| Which again, has jack to do with the subject of this thread.
|
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| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

Now Del, you whine because we are off topic, but you are into the fray
too, pal. Don't be nonsensical.

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NC
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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404233430007-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <jw5cc.14932$w84.1171481@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > SB, if you are asking me my middle ground...it is simply this.
| > Education. Use weapons appropriately. This is a few bad apples
| > thing...and I know ppl hunt with off the wall sh!t...I can hear it
at
| > night in the middle of the season. Some idiot put a bullet into a
| > school while he was hunting just recently. Now, tell me, why was
he
| > even aiming his weapon at a school??? Exactly, he should not have
| > been. He lost situation awareness, or he is just plain dumb.
Either
| > way, he obviously needs an education...whether it be how to
maintain
| > bearing, or "Hey dipshit, the school is right next to the big
water
| > tower you can see from 3 miles away."
|
| Which has ---- all to do with some guy who just wants to keep his
| handgun from getting swiped out of his TJ when he can't take it
inside
| with him.
|
| > And I know full well it doesn't
| > take a 30.06 to bag a deer. There's no damn meat left for jerky
if
| > you do that (entry point dependent, of course.) A wooly mammoth,
| > maybe.
|
| You can kill a deer with a .22LR if you really want (have) to. It
is
| also illegal in every US jurisdiction of which I am aware, because
it
| just doesn't dispose of enough energy to kill it cleanly, unless one
is
| a master marksman (who would know better). With proper bullet
placement,
| a 30-06 is as near to an ideal deer cartridge as can be devised, and
| will NOT ruin excessive amounts of meat. We have a responsibility
to
| the animals we hunt to use a round that will make a clean, humane
kill.
| Period. A 7.62x39 or .223 will do the job at closer ranges using
proper
| bullets (i.e. not FMJ) but most hunters do not like to limit
themselves
| to close ranges and will (should) choose a more powerful round.
|
| Which again, has jack to do with the subject of this thread.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
| Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

Now Del, you whine because we are off topic, but you are into the fray
too, pal. Don't be nonsensical.

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404233430007-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <jw5cc.14932$w84.1171481@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > SB, if you are asking me my middle ground...it is simply this.
| > Education. Use weapons appropriately. This is a few bad apples
| > thing...and I know ppl hunt with off the wall sh!t...I can hear it
at
| > night in the middle of the season. Some idiot put a bullet into a
| > school while he was hunting just recently. Now, tell me, why was
he
| > even aiming his weapon at a school??? Exactly, he should not have
| > been. He lost situation awareness, or he is just plain dumb.
Either
| > way, he obviously needs an education...whether it be how to
maintain
| > bearing, or "Hey dipshit, the school is right next to the big
water
| > tower you can see from 3 miles away."
|
| Which has ---- all to do with some guy who just wants to keep his
| handgun from getting swiped out of his TJ when he can't take it
inside
| with him.
|
| > And I know full well it doesn't
| > take a 30.06 to bag a deer. There's no damn meat left for jerky
if
| > you do that (entry point dependent, of course.) A wooly mammoth,
| > maybe.
|
| You can kill a deer with a .22LR if you really want (have) to. It
is
| also illegal in every US jurisdiction of which I am aware, because
it
| just doesn't dispose of enough energy to kill it cleanly, unless one
is
| a master marksman (who would know better). With proper bullet
placement,
| a 30-06 is as near to an ideal deer cartridge as can be devised, and
| will NOT ruin excessive amounts of meat. We have a responsibility
to
| the animals we hunt to use a round that will make a clean, humane
kill.
| Period. A 7.62x39 or .223 will do the job at closer ranges using
proper
| bullets (i.e. not FMJ) but most hunters do not like to limit
themselves
| to close ranges and will (should) choose a more powerful round.
|
| Which again, has jack to do with the subject of this thread.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
| Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

Now Del, you whine because we are off topic, but you are into the fray
too, pal. Don't be nonsensical.

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"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in
message news:20040404233430007-0800@enews.newsguy.com...
| In <jw5cc.14932$w84.1171481@twister.southeast.rr.co m> Joseph P
wrote:
| > SB, if you are asking me my middle ground...it is simply this.
| > Education. Use weapons appropriately. This is a few bad apples
| > thing...and I know ppl hunt with off the wall sh!t...I can hear it
at
| > night in the middle of the season. Some idiot put a bullet into a
| > school while he was hunting just recently. Now, tell me, why was
he
| > even aiming his weapon at a school??? Exactly, he should not have
| > been. He lost situation awareness, or he is just plain dumb.
Either
| > way, he obviously needs an education...whether it be how to
maintain
| > bearing, or "Hey dipshit, the school is right next to the big
water
| > tower you can see from 3 miles away."
|
| Which has ---- all to do with some guy who just wants to keep his
| handgun from getting swiped out of his TJ when he can't take it
inside
| with him.
|
| > And I know full well it doesn't
| > take a 30.06 to bag a deer. There's no damn meat left for jerky
if
| > you do that (entry point dependent, of course.) A wooly mammoth,
| > maybe.
|
| You can kill a deer with a .22LR if you really want (have) to. It
is
| also illegal in every US jurisdiction of which I am aware, because
it
| just doesn't dispose of enough energy to kill it cleanly, unless one
is
| a master marksman (who would know better). With proper bullet
placement,
| a 30-06 is as near to an ideal deer cartridge as can be devised, and
| will NOT ruin excessive amounts of meat. We have a responsibility
to
| the animals we hunt to use a round that will make a clean, humane
kill.
| Period. A 7.62x39 or .223 will do the job at closer ranges using
proper
| bullets (i.e. not FMJ) but most hunters do not like to limit
themselves
| to close ranges and will (should) choose a more powerful round.
|
| Which again, has jack to do with the subject of this thread.
|
| ----------------------------------------------------
| Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
| Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
| Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
| http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Handgun storage in a TJ?
 

In <Pine.NEB.4.58.0404051019430.13664@panix2.panix.co m> Lee Ayrton
wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2004, Handywired wrote:
>
>> I keep a loaded handgun in my TJ. At present I use my factory
>> locking center console. I'd like to get something a little more
>> impregnable. What should I get? This needs to be a replacement for
>> the center
>
> A neutrally-worded, calm request for information, one that resulted in
> dozens of constructive, highly informative and carefully considered
> posts of international interest that can be pretty much summed up as
> "did to!" "does not!" "bastard!" "-------!" [lather, rinse, repeat]
>
> Good thing you didn't ask about performing circumcisions, abortions or
> gay marriages in a Jeep, eh?

They started it.

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