Ted

Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
others...too bad for them.


If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.

Matt Macchiarolo

If Ford had bought Jeep you would have seen a CJ body on an early-Bronco
frame, along with 9" axle. Not a bad combo. I think Jeep would have done
better under Ford than AMC or even DCX.

"Ted" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103337792.729579.309240@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

If Ford had bought Jeep you would have seen a CJ body on an early-Bronco
frame, along with 9" axle. Not a bad combo. I think Jeep would have done
better under Ford than AMC or even DCX.

"Ted" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103337792.729579.309240@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

If Ford had bought Jeep you would have seen a CJ body on an early-Bronco
frame, along with 9" axle. Not a bad combo. I think Jeep would have done
better under Ford than AMC or even DCX.

"Ted" <larboard34@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103337792.729579.309240@c13g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new for
five hundred bucks.
Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to work
together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a heavy
duty transmission for a six.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted wrote:
>
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new for
five hundred bucks.
Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to work
together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a heavy
duty transmission for a six.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted wrote:
>
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new for
five hundred bucks.
Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to work
together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a heavy
duty transmission for a six.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Ted wrote:
>
> Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
> others...too bad for them.
>
> If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like
> product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The
> V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was
> Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev
> not Ford power, GM had head-up-*** and refused. Ford did make some good
> engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything
> interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for
> a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was
> worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck
> engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter
> engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of
> the Me109 airframe make it rare today.
> A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get.

Ted

L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new
for
> five hundred bucks.
> Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to
work
> together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a
heavy
> duty transmission for a six.

You are a bigger troll.

The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was
heavier than the 318. No one gave a ---- about weight then! They were
just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have
kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they
would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as
the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When
DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a
tangent.

The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main
bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it
didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that
were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the
mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular
price" cars.

While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three
Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-*** idea. Six
don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or
a turbocharger.

But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic
ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there
was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was
uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller
and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very
well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering
was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been
absolutely first rate as an engineering firm.

Ted

L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new
for
> five hundred bucks.
> Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to
work
> together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a
heavy
> duty transmission for a six.

You are a bigger troll.

The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was
heavier than the 318. No one gave a ---- about weight then! They were
just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have
kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they
would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as
the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When
DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a
tangent.

The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main
bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it
didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that
were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the
mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular
price" cars.

While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three
Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-*** idea. Six
don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or
a turbocharger.

But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic
ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there
was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was
uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller
and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very
well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering
was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been
absolutely first rate as an engineering firm.

Ted

L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new
for
> five hundred bucks.
> Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to
work
> together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a
heavy
> duty transmission for a six.

You are a bigger troll.

The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was
heavier than the 318. No one gave a ---- about weight then! They were
just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have
kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they
would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as
the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When
DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a
tangent.

The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main
bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it
didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that
were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the
mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular
price" cars.

While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three
Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-*** idea. Six
don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or
a turbocharger.

But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic
ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there
was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was
uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller
and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very
well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering
was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been
absolutely first rate as an engineering firm.