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Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
On Jul 10, 8:10 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: > > On Jul 9, 12:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: > >>> My '84 GW power steering became jerky, and I thought it was due to low > >>> fluid. I filled the fluid reservoir, and that seemed to solve the > >>> problem for a short while, but now the PS seems to loose authority and > >>> turn jerky on tight, slow turns, anytime the engine is hot. It seems > >>> not as bad when the engine is first started. > >>> Suggestions? > >>> Thanks! > >> How is the condition of the fan belt? > > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > The fan belt "looks" good--it seems to be at a proper tension; > > however, if that is suspect, I would be happy to change it out, to > > avoid trouble. > > > Randall > > I check them by taking a cold off engine and seeing if I can hand slip > the pulley under the belt. If I can the belt has become polished up and > won't grab under pump load. This happens to older V belts a lot or ones > that see mud or dirt. (liquid sandpaper) > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Mike: Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. Randall |
Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
randallbrink@mac.com wrote:
> On Jul 10, 8:10 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>> On Jul 9, 12:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>>>> My '84 GW power steering became jerky, and I thought it was due to low >>>>> fluid. I filled the fluid reservoir, and that seemed to solve the >>>>> problem for a short while, but now the PS seems to loose authority and >>>>> turn jerky on tight, slow turns, anytime the engine is hot. It seems >>>>> not as bad when the engine is first started. >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> Thanks! >>>> How is the condition of the fan belt? >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> The fan belt "looks" good--it seems to be at a proper tension; >>> however, if that is suspect, I would be happy to change it out, to >>> avoid trouble. >>> Randall >> I check them by taking a cold off engine and seeing if I can hand slip >> the pulley under the belt. If I can the belt has become polished up and >> won't grab under pump load. This happens to older V belts a lot or ones >> that see mud or dirt. (liquid sandpaper) >> >> Mike- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Mike: > > Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold > engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and > this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. > > Randall > One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
randallbrink@mac.com wrote:
> On Jul 10, 8:10 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>> On Jul 9, 12:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>>>> My '84 GW power steering became jerky, and I thought it was due to low >>>>> fluid. I filled the fluid reservoir, and that seemed to solve the >>>>> problem for a short while, but now the PS seems to loose authority and >>>>> turn jerky on tight, slow turns, anytime the engine is hot. It seems >>>>> not as bad when the engine is first started. >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> Thanks! >>>> How is the condition of the fan belt? >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> The fan belt "looks" good--it seems to be at a proper tension; >>> however, if that is suspect, I would be happy to change it out, to >>> avoid trouble. >>> Randall >> I check them by taking a cold off engine and seeing if I can hand slip >> the pulley under the belt. If I can the belt has become polished up and >> won't grab under pump load. This happens to older V belts a lot or ones >> that see mud or dirt. (liquid sandpaper) >> >> Mike- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Mike: > > Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold > engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and > this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. > > Randall > One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
randallbrink@mac.com wrote:
> On Jul 10, 8:10 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>> On Jul 9, 12:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>>>> My '84 GW power steering became jerky, and I thought it was due to low >>>>> fluid. I filled the fluid reservoir, and that seemed to solve the >>>>> problem for a short while, but now the PS seems to loose authority and >>>>> turn jerky on tight, slow turns, anytime the engine is hot. It seems >>>>> not as bad when the engine is first started. >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> Thanks! >>>> How is the condition of the fan belt? >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> The fan belt "looks" good--it seems to be at a proper tension; >>> however, if that is suspect, I would be happy to change it out, to >>> avoid trouble. >>> Randall >> I check them by taking a cold off engine and seeing if I can hand slip >> the pulley under the belt. If I can the belt has become polished up and >> won't grab under pump load. This happens to older V belts a lot or ones >> that see mud or dirt. (liquid sandpaper) >> >> Mike- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Mike: > > Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold > engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and > this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. > > Randall > One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
randallbrink@mac.com wrote:
> On Jul 10, 8:10 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>> On Jul 9, 12:50 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>> randallbr...@mac.com wrote: >>>>> My '84 GW power steering became jerky, and I thought it was due to low >>>>> fluid. I filled the fluid reservoir, and that seemed to solve the >>>>> problem for a short while, but now the PS seems to loose authority and >>>>> turn jerky on tight, slow turns, anytime the engine is hot. It seems >>>>> not as bad when the engine is first started. >>>>> Suggestions? >>>>> Thanks! >>>> How is the condition of the fan belt? >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>> The fan belt "looks" good--it seems to be at a proper tension; >>> however, if that is suspect, I would be happy to change it out, to >>> avoid trouble. >>> Randall >> I check them by taking a cold off engine and seeing if I can hand slip >> the pulley under the belt. If I can the belt has become polished up and >> won't grab under pump load. This happens to older V belts a lot or ones >> that see mud or dirt. (liquid sandpaper) >> >> Mike- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Mike: > > Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold > engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and > this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. > > Randall > One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:45 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >> Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold >> engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and >> this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. >> >> Randall >> > >One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Genrally though when belt slips there is a squeal with it. It is likely a problem with pump ot steering box if there is not belt squeal. When oil is cold it is thicker and would tend to have higher pressure hence boost even if leakage was present in pump or box vs when fluid is hot and thin. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:45 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >> Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold >> engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and >> this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. >> >> Randall >> > >One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Genrally though when belt slips there is a squeal with it. It is likely a problem with pump ot steering box if there is not belt squeal. When oil is cold it is thicker and would tend to have higher pressure hence boost even if leakage was present in pump or box vs when fluid is hot and thin. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:45 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >> Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold >> engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and >> this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. >> >> Randall >> > >One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Genrally though when belt slips there is a squeal with it. It is likely a problem with pump ot steering box if there is not belt squeal. When oil is cold it is thicker and would tend to have higher pressure hence boost even if leakage was present in pump or box vs when fluid is hot and thin. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:45 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote: >> Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold >> engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and >> this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. >> >> Randall >> > >One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. Genrally though when belt slips there is a squeal with it. It is likely a problem with pump ot steering box if there is not belt squeal. When oil is cold it is thicker and would tend to have higher pressure hence boost even if leakage was present in pump or box vs when fluid is hot and thin. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com |
Re: Grand Wagoneer Steering
SnoMan wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:45 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> > wrote: > >>> Thanks very much. This makes sense, and I will do the check on a cold >>> engine. It may be time for a complete belt replacement anyway, and >>> this sounds like the problem, with it getting worse on a hot engine. >>> >>> Randall >>> >> One can always hope for the cheap fix anyway. Good luck. > > > Genrally though when belt slips there is a squeal with it. That is the sneaky part of a mud or sand polished belt and the reason for the above quick test, they don't make noise.... We see this all the time on vehicles that off road. When getting muddy regularly we go through 3 or more sets of V belts a year. Even the serpentine ones can get polished up. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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