billy ray

I like your tag line. When Mike Farrell throws paint on Sonny Barger for
wearing leather I'll start having respect for them, until them I see them as
whiny yuppettes.

"jduchock" <jduchock@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:0A60g.20386$Kh5.19015@bignews8.bellsouth.net. ..
> I use my Garmin E-Map to record the trails I use. I then download the GPS
to
> either the desktop or laptop through my Maptech topographical map program.
> I've been pretty successful doing it this way. Even the rookies don't have
> much trouble figuring out the trails. I've taken the laptop with me a few
> times just so the newbies can see where we are.
>
> The next time I go to either Grey Rock or Summertown I am going to map
all
> I can for our group. Sure beats the maps I got from them last time.
>
> Also an external antenna helps to keep from losing signal in tree covered
> areas.
>
>
> --
> "People are more violently opposed to fur
> than leather because it's easier to pick
> on rich old ladies than a biker gang"
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:4r%%f.73$Uf.15763@news.uswest.net...
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
> > miles of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails
> > arent mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can
tell
> > you where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and
map
> > every trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
> > mark and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot.
i
> > dont know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently
> > have a gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a
> > handheld gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> >
>
>

billy ray

I like your tag line. When Mike Farrell throws paint on Sonny Barger for
wearing leather I'll start having respect for them, until them I see them as
whiny yuppettes.

"jduchock" <jduchock@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:0A60g.20386$Kh5.19015@bignews8.bellsouth.net. ..
> I use my Garmin E-Map to record the trails I use. I then download the GPS
to
> either the desktop or laptop through my Maptech topographical map program.
> I've been pretty successful doing it this way. Even the rookies don't have
> much trouble figuring out the trails. I've taken the laptop with me a few
> times just so the newbies can see where we are.
>
> The next time I go to either Grey Rock or Summertown I am going to map
all
> I can for our group. Sure beats the maps I got from them last time.
>
> Also an external antenna helps to keep from losing signal in tree covered
> areas.
>
>
> --
> "People are more violently opposed to fur
> than leather because it's easier to pick
> on rich old ladies than a biker gang"
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:4r%%f.73$Uf.15763@news.uswest.net...
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
> > miles of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails
> > arent mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can
tell
> > you where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and
map
> > every trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
> > mark and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot.
i
> > dont know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently
> > have a gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a
> > handheld gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> >
>
>

billy ray

I like your tag line. When Mike Farrell throws paint on Sonny Barger for
wearing leather I'll start having respect for them, until them I see them as
whiny yuppettes.

"jduchock" <jduchock@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:0A60g.20386$Kh5.19015@bignews8.bellsouth.net. ..
> I use my Garmin E-Map to record the trails I use. I then download the GPS
to
> either the desktop or laptop through my Maptech topographical map program.
> I've been pretty successful doing it this way. Even the rookies don't have
> much trouble figuring out the trails. I've taken the laptop with me a few
> times just so the newbies can see where we are.
>
> The next time I go to either Grey Rock or Summertown I am going to map
all
> I can for our group. Sure beats the maps I got from them last time.
>
> Also an external antenna helps to keep from losing signal in tree covered
> areas.
>
>
> --
> "People are more violently opposed to fur
> than leather because it's easier to pick
> on rich old ladies than a biker gang"
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:4r%%f.73$Uf.15763@news.uswest.net...
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
> > miles of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails
> > arent mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can
tell
> > you where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and
map
> > every trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
> > mark and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot.
i
> > dont know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently
> > have a gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a
> > handheld gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

This is deja vu all over again! Like the Robert Ormes "Guide to the
Colorado Mountains", the Fourteeners book, or the Harvey Manning hiking
books, to name a few. There were people pissed, but more people got to
enjoy the wilderness, and the ones that went, tended to stick to the
published trails. Mike, it's not the map-maker's or the book-writer's
fault. The problem is population pressure. People are going to overrun
your wilderness, no matter what you do, unless you can find a cure for
sexual desire. The question is whether they will do it in an organized
manner or not.

One problem we have in Colorado, where nearly all legitimate trails are
mapped or documented, is the proliferation of new trails and roads, cut by
well-meaning outdoors enthusiasts, who do not understand local customs and
legal rights. Our county, landowners, and the BLM are trying to sort out,
what is a road or trail, and what is not. It is not so obvious as it might
seem. Nate, documenting the existence of a road or trail, is a good way to
ensure that it stays open for future generations. Our county is now calling
for people to bring them old photographs, written accounts, maps, anything
that they can use to prove that roads are roads, and not something cut by
some guy in a Blazer last summer.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

Earle Horton

This is deja vu all over again! Like the Robert Ormes "Guide to the
Colorado Mountains", the Fourteeners book, or the Harvey Manning hiking
books, to name a few. There were people pissed, but more people got to
enjoy the wilderness, and the ones that went, tended to stick to the
published trails. Mike, it's not the map-maker's or the book-writer's
fault. The problem is population pressure. People are going to overrun
your wilderness, no matter what you do, unless you can find a cure for
sexual desire. The question is whether they will do it in an organized
manner or not.

One problem we have in Colorado, where nearly all legitimate trails are
mapped or documented, is the proliferation of new trails and roads, cut by
well-meaning outdoors enthusiasts, who do not understand local customs and
legal rights. Our county, landowners, and the BLM are trying to sort out,
what is a road or trail, and what is not. It is not so obvious as it might
seem. Nate, documenting the existence of a road or trail, is a good way to
ensure that it stays open for future generations. Our county is now calling
for people to bring them old photographs, written accounts, maps, anything
that they can use to prove that roads are roads, and not something cut by
some guy in a Blazer last summer.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

Earle Horton

This is deja vu all over again! Like the Robert Ormes "Guide to the
Colorado Mountains", the Fourteeners book, or the Harvey Manning hiking
books, to name a few. There were people pissed, but more people got to
enjoy the wilderness, and the ones that went, tended to stick to the
published trails. Mike, it's not the map-maker's or the book-writer's
fault. The problem is population pressure. People are going to overrun
your wilderness, no matter what you do, unless you can find a cure for
sexual desire. The question is whether they will do it in an organized
manner or not.

One problem we have in Colorado, where nearly all legitimate trails are
mapped or documented, is the proliferation of new trails and roads, cut by
well-meaning outdoors enthusiasts, who do not understand local customs and
legal rights. Our county, landowners, and the BLM are trying to sort out,
what is a road or trail, and what is not. It is not so obvious as it might
seem. Nate, documenting the existence of a road or trail, is a good way to
ensure that it stays open for future generations. Our county is now calling
for people to bring them old photographs, written accounts, maps, anything
that they can use to prove that roads are roads, and not something cut by
some guy in a Blazer last summer.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

billy ray

I seem to recall just such an incident occurring....


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

billy ray

I seem to recall just such an incident occurring....


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

billy ray

I seem to recall just such an incident occurring....


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that and then it became almost
> 'open season' on Jeepers. The folks in the armed hunt camps became
> extremely aggressive to the point on one of our RAMJ+W summer runs I
> thought we were going to have to go for the RCMP or OPP (cops).
>
> Now the trails are on some ATV group's site and it has almost totally
> ruined the one last area of crown land open here. The hunt camps are
> getting vandalized, there is garbage everywhere, drunk fools are driving
> around shooting guns all over the place, etc....
>
> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
> >
> > im a dedicated RUV/ATV/jeeper trail rider, and montana has hundreds of
miles
> > of amazing trails. the only problem with them is that the trails arent
> > mapped, and youre lucky if you can find a BLM official who can tell you
> > where to find the trailheads. ive decided that i want to ride and map
every
> > trail i can find in montana, to publish online.
> >
> > i want a setup that i can turn on, drive all the trails to make the
maps,
> > and save the maps to my computer. id like to also have the ability to
mark
> > and note certain spots, such as a dangerous hill or camping spot. i
dont
> > know what i need to do this or how to go about it, but i currently have
a
> > gps laptop setup http://inlinediesel.com/tech/desk as well as a handheld
> > gramin e-map (basic, not very impressive by todays standards).
> >
> > what would be the best way to accomplish this?
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> > http://InlineDiesel.com
> > http://BighornRefrigeration.com
> > http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4441047C.91A10C86@sympatico.ca...
> Well, up here in Canada some bozo did that

hes a "bozo" for trying to help other off-roaders find trails?


> So if you really want to wreck your wilderness, posting the trails is a
> great way to do it.

i can sympathize with your situation, but overall your statements sound
elitist. trail access is for EVERYONE.....jeepers, ATVers, MXers, horseback
riders, hikers, etc. there will ALWAYS be bad people in every group that
seem like they want to ruin it for everyone but i disagree with trying to
keep trail access/locations "secret" because you end up keeping the
responsible off roaders out too.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com