Got questions
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Re: Got questions
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
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Re: Got questions
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
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Re: Got questions
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
CRWLR wrote:
>
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps, they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
Guest
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Re: Got questions
I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Got questions
I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Got questions
I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Got questions
I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10g0cicm6u4l5ad@corp.supernews.com...
> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Eric
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Going up the Diablo Drop Off will probably require at least one locker or
> you won't make it. The Drop Off is basically a sand hill, going down is
> relatively easy, all you need to do is keep the front in front, going back
> up is another matter. You can't simply smash the gas and hope for the best
> because there is a turn in the middle of the hill. When you slow for the
> turn, you loose momentum for the last section, which is also the steepest.
>
> Clearance is not going to be an issue for you, traction is the problem.
> Having said that, I have taken the trip several times with stock Jeeps,
they
> just went down the Drop Off, and were satisfied with watching me go up.
>
> Since you arer asking about the Drop Off, I'll assume you live near me
> soemwhere. It is my humble opinion that the best tires for Southern
> California are the BFG All Terrain KO's. I have the BFG Mud Terrains, and
> they work very well for me. But, if I was using my Jeep as a daily driver,
> the ATs would work better on the street than the MTs. The ATs give much
> better life on the street, and very nearly the same performance offroad.
> There are a few areas we might go where the MT are superior, but the vast
> majority of the routes we will use are well suited to the performance
> profile of the ATs.
>
> That Mile Marker you have your eye on is perhaps not the best choice. It
is
> of limited value for self-recovery, but is does have an excellent duty
cycle
> for recovering your buddies. The problem with the hydraulic winch is that
it
> requires the engine to be running, and if you are belly-up somewhere, the
> motor is not going to be of much help. Since most recovery operations
> consist of righting a vehicle, and this takes just a few minutes, then the
> electric winches make more sense. Even your own recovery will generally
> amount of pulling you off of a high center or out of a hole, winching in
our
> line of recreation seldom exceeds the duty cycle of the winch, so don't
dial
> in on the Mile Marker for its advantage of the extended duty cycle; it has
> way too much baggage to weigh down the one advantage.
>
> I run the Detroit Locker in the back, and the Dedtroit EZ Locker in front.
> These units are both cheaper and more reliable than the ARB units. The
> Detroits have overhead if you drive on snow and ice, but since you are in
> So. Calif, that won't be a problem for you. Again, I am looking at the
> cost/benefit side of the equation, but ignoring the possibility that your
> operating environment might change. If you were on the way to the midwest
> where they do a lot of mudding, they you would prefer the Mile Marker, and
> if you were going to the Snow Belt, then you may not enjoy the Detroits.
> But, if intend on remaining in Southern California, get the automatic
> lockers and the electric winch.
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Campbell" <colin.campbell@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> news:1193103c.0407220829.28c36d6@posting.google.co m...
> > I am currently serving in Iraq and was told today that I start my R&R
> > leave on the 9th of Aug.
> >
> > Now this is sooner than I expected and now need some advice.
> >
> > I have a 03 TJ Sport. Aftermarket bumpers, skid plates and nerf bars.
> > Also an AEM air intake.
> >
> > I am running 31x9.5 Super Swamper TSLs with no lift.
> >
> > I would like to put some sort of modest lift so I can run larger
> > tires. I am also thinking of ARB air lockers front and rear.
> >
> > The really big deal is I would like to have the mods completed (my dad
> > can take the Jeep to the shop for me) before I get home on leave. (I
> > do not want to waste any of my 15 days at home with my jeep in the
> > shop).
> >
> > I do not intend to do really extreme stuff but I want the jeep to be
> > able to go most places in the backcountry with a solid certanty I can
> > get back out. (For those of you in S. California I want to be able to
> > go both ways on the Diablo Drop-off.)
> >
> > Also this Jeep will be my daily commuter car once I come home for good
> > so I want minimal impact on highway handling and performance.
> >
> > I have done business with Four Wheel Parts before and am leaning
> > towards using then as they install everything they sell.
> >
> > My Budget is $5,000. (Spending my combat pay and income tax
> > exclusion.)
> >
> > Now I am confused about what size/type lift I will need for what size
> > tires as well as what the differences are between the different
> > products (the price range for a 2" life is from $200 to $2000 so there
> > has to be major differences in what they do.)
> >
> > Also I would like recommendations on tires. My Swampers are awesome
> > in mud but lousy on the highway. Which tires will give good
> > sand/moderate mud performance but retain a quiet ride and decent
> > highway performance?
> >
> > This is what I am thionking of right now:
> > 2" lift
> > ARB lockers front/rear, with optional tire inflation gear
> > Swamper Truxus Radials (should I get 31s or 33s?)
> > Maybe a Mile Marker 9000 winch (if enough money is left in my $5,000
> > budget)
> >
> >
> > Ideas?
> > Comments?
> > Recomendations?
>
>
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"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message news:<yL_Lc.18499$qa2.6482@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.
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Re: Got questions
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message news:<yL_Lc.18499$qa2.6482@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.
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Re: Got questions
"Eric" <gymrat@baileyscorner.com> wrote in message news:<yL_Lc.18499$qa2.6482@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.
> I've got to say that the A/Ts and the MTs are NOT the same off-road. Maybe
> it depends on what you do off-road, but I've been with both and it's a HUGE
> difference. On-road, I'd agree that the A/Ts are better.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice. Sadly it appears that my Jeep
mods will have to wait until I return from Iraq this spring.
I have archived your posts so I can reference them at that time.