He wasn't actually part of the event, he was not a member of any of the
Boy Scout troops that were there. He attended with an adult friend for
the day, so he was not a member of any Patrol or Troop organization that
do always use the Buddy system.

Jerry

DougW wrote:
> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>
>>That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a group
>>of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>>leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That kid
>>spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>>guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I understand
>>that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>>was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>
>
> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common sense
> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have something
> to remember.
>
> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an angle
> and eventually reach shore.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

A few thoughts with that. After years of lower than normal water fall Utah
finally had a huge snowfall / rainfall catch up year. We have had lots of
water, all of the streams are over flowing, many are being sand bagged.
That river up there is plenty to wash about anyone or anything down stream
right now. I can't foresee a kid that size being able to cross the river
that they were searching

This kid is 11 years old. I had a very smart kid who got lost in his own
neighborhood just 3 houses away from his. I am not kidding. He had lived
there his whole life, I pulled into the drive way and all of the kids were
just going to walk home since they all live close. This one kid started
walking west when you can see his house from my house just 3 doors away to
the east. Once he was about 5 houses away still going the wrong direction I
flagged him down to ask where he was going. He was very insistent that he
was going home. We walked back to my house, I had to point to his house
before he finally believed me and realized that he was going the wrong way.
That little experienced made me realize just how close you have to watch
these guys. It was a funny story at the time, but did wake me up to the
abilities.

One thing that was in his favor was that the nights were only down to the
low 50's. So the nighttime temperatures were very survivable, not that I
would want to sleep the night out there with a sweatshirt and shorts, but it
could be done.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:LQ%te.18493$mC.12208@okepread07...
> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>> That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a
>> group
>> of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>> leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That
>> kid
>> spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>> guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I
>> understand
>> that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>> was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>
> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common
> sense
> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have
> something
> to remember.
>
> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an
> angle
> and eventually reach shore.
>
> --
> DougW
> Eagle Scout
> And I still get lost.
> woo hoo! :)
>

 

A few thoughts with that. After years of lower than normal water fall Utah
finally had a huge snowfall / rainfall catch up year. We have had lots of
water, all of the streams are over flowing, many are being sand bagged.
That river up there is plenty to wash about anyone or anything down stream
right now. I can't foresee a kid that size being able to cross the river
that they were searching

This kid is 11 years old. I had a very smart kid who got lost in his own
neighborhood just 3 houses away from his. I am not kidding. He had lived
there his whole life, I pulled into the drive way and all of the kids were
just going to walk home since they all live close. This one kid started
walking west when you can see his house from my house just 3 doors away to
the east. Once he was about 5 houses away still going the wrong direction I
flagged him down to ask where he was going. He was very insistent that he
was going home. We walked back to my house, I had to point to his house
before he finally believed me and realized that he was going the wrong way.
That little experienced made me realize just how close you have to watch
these guys. It was a funny story at the time, but did wake me up to the
abilities.

One thing that was in his favor was that the nights were only down to the
low 50's. So the nighttime temperatures were very survivable, not that I
would want to sleep the night out there with a sweatshirt and shorts, but it
could be done.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:LQ%te.18493$mC.12208@okepread07...
> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>> That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a
>> group
>> of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>> leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That
>> kid
>> spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>> guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I
>> understand
>> that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>> was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>
> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common
> sense
> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have
> something
> to remember.
>
> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an
> angle
> and eventually reach shore.
>
> --
> DougW
> Eagle Scout
> And I still get lost.
> woo hoo! :)
>

 

A few thoughts with that. After years of lower than normal water fall Utah
finally had a huge snowfall / rainfall catch up year. We have had lots of
water, all of the streams are over flowing, many are being sand bagged.
That river up there is plenty to wash about anyone or anything down stream
right now. I can't foresee a kid that size being able to cross the river
that they were searching

This kid is 11 years old. I had a very smart kid who got lost in his own
neighborhood just 3 houses away from his. I am not kidding. He had lived
there his whole life, I pulled into the drive way and all of the kids were
just going to walk home since they all live close. This one kid started
walking west when you can see his house from my house just 3 doors away to
the east. Once he was about 5 houses away still going the wrong direction I
flagged him down to ask where he was going. He was very insistent that he
was going home. We walked back to my house, I had to point to his house
before he finally believed me and realized that he was going the wrong way.
That little experienced made me realize just how close you have to watch
these guys. It was a funny story at the time, but did wake me up to the
abilities.

One thing that was in his favor was that the nights were only down to the
low 50's. So the nighttime temperatures were very survivable, not that I
would want to sleep the night out there with a sweatshirt and shorts, but it
could be done.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:LQ%te.18493$mC.12208@okepread07...
> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>> That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a
>> group
>> of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>> leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That
>> kid
>> spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>> guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I
>> understand
>> that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>> was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>
> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common
> sense
> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have
> something
> to remember.
>
> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an
> angle
> and eventually reach shore.
>
> --
> DougW
> Eagle Scout
> And I still get lost.
> woo hoo! :)
>

 

A few thoughts with that. After years of lower than normal water fall Utah
finally had a huge snowfall / rainfall catch up year. We have had lots of
water, all of the streams are over flowing, many are being sand bagged.
That river up there is plenty to wash about anyone or anything down stream
right now. I can't foresee a kid that size being able to cross the river
that they were searching

This kid is 11 years old. I had a very smart kid who got lost in his own
neighborhood just 3 houses away from his. I am not kidding. He had lived
there his whole life, I pulled into the drive way and all of the kids were
just going to walk home since they all live close. This one kid started
walking west when you can see his house from my house just 3 doors away to
the east. Once he was about 5 houses away still going the wrong direction I
flagged him down to ask where he was going. He was very insistent that he
was going home. We walked back to my house, I had to point to his house
before he finally believed me and realized that he was going the wrong way.
That little experienced made me realize just how close you have to watch
these guys. It was a funny story at the time, but did wake me up to the
abilities.

One thing that was in his favor was that the nights were only down to the
low 50's. So the nighttime temperatures were very survivable, not that I
would want to sleep the night out there with a sweatshirt and shorts, but it
could be done.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:LQ%te.18493$mC.12208@okepread07...
> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>> That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a
>> group
>> of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>> leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That
>> kid
>> spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>> guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I
>> understand
>> that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>> was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>
> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common
> sense
> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have
> something
> to remember.
>
> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an
> angle
> and eventually reach shore.
>
> --
> DougW
> Eagle Scout
> And I still get lost.
> woo hoo! :)
>

 

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:hY_te.860$SF5.199@fed1read07...
> Yep, just read that. That was truly GREAT news that sadly doesn't
> happen enough with cases of lost children.
>
> Jerry
>


Well yeah, most kids that are missing aren't lost at all, they're stolen.

 

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:hY_te.860$SF5.199@fed1read07...
> Yep, just read that. That was truly GREAT news that sadly doesn't
> happen enough with cases of lost children.
>
> Jerry
>


Well yeah, most kids that are missing aren't lost at all, they're stolen.

 

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:hY_te.860$SF5.199@fed1read07...
> Yep, just read that. That was truly GREAT news that sadly doesn't
> happen enough with cases of lost children.
>
> Jerry
>


Well yeah, most kids that are missing aren't lost at all, they're stolen.

 

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:hY_te.860$SF5.199@fed1read07...
> Yep, just read that. That was truly GREAT news that sadly doesn't
> happen enough with cases of lost children.
>
> Jerry
>


Well yeah, most kids that are missing aren't lost at all, they're stolen.

 

I think he was part of the camp, but not a full part. Normally the 11 year
old kids can not attend multi-night events. Those camps up there are set up
for week long summer camps. Our 11 year old kids are invited to attend
Friday night, and come home with the group on Saturday. That way they get
one over-night camp and get an idea of what the week long camps are like.
He went missing on a Friday night, so I think he was up there for his one
night.


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:%30ue.867$SF5.576@fed1read07...
> He wasn't actually part of the event, he was not a member of any of the
> Boy Scout troops that were there. He attended with an adult friend for
> the day, so he was not a member of any Patrol or Troop organization that
> do always use the Buddy system.
>
> Jerry
>
> DougW wrote:
>> Rusted did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>That one is a little close to home for me. In 5 weeks I am taking a
>>>group
>>>of scouts up to that same place. In my 10 or so years of being a scout
>>>leader we have taken 3 or 4 groups of kids to those scout camps. That
>>>kid
>>>spent 4 nights out in the cold, in my book that makes him a pretty tough
>>>guy. I would not want to go through what he has gone through. I
>>>understand
>>>that he finally walked himself to a road and was picked up from there, it
>>>was about 3 miles from where he was last seen.
>>
>>
>> What gets me is Scouts teaches the buddy system. Given that kids (myself
>> included) do wander away on campouts, at least the kid had some common
>> sense
>> and followed water to roads. One thing for sure he will now have
>> something
>> to remember.
>>
>> I was worried he tried to cross the river. Most folk don't get it, but
>> only 2-3" of running water can pull your legs right out from under you
>> and it's hell to get back to shore without getting beaten on the rocks.
>> Deeper water is actually easier to get out of since you can swim at an
>> angle
>> and eventually reach shore.
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/