Shaggie

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
>the scoop.
>
>It's just gonna be a track and street machine?

It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
front and rear. Just want it for fun.

>
>Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
>rat.
>
>I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
>to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
>deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.

I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
Example:
http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
scoop.

>
>That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
>side of the block or a piston in pieces.

Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
that has the potential for doing damage like that.

>
>I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
>with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
>right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
>safe trail running.

Ugh.

>
>See:
>Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
>
>Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
>didn't know he had a scoop....
>
>Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
>plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
>
>There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....

Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)

>
>Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
>the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
>Jeep......

If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
case I'm covered. Take care.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>>
>> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
>>
>> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, what am I missing?
>> >> -Brian
>> >>
>> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
>> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
>> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
>> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
>> >> :
>> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> >> : :wq!
>>
>> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> :wq!

"I can hammer it back into shape later."
:wq!

Shaggie

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
>the scoop.
>
>It's just gonna be a track and street machine?

It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
front and rear. Just want it for fun.

>
>Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
>rat.
>
>I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
>to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
>deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.

I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
Example:
http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
scoop.

>
>That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
>side of the block or a piston in pieces.

Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
that has the potential for doing damage like that.

>
>I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
>with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
>right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
>safe trail running.

Ugh.

>
>See:
>Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
>
>Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
>didn't know he had a scoop....
>
>Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
>plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
>
>There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....

Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)

>
>Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
>the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
>Jeep......

If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
case I'm covered. Take care.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>>
>> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
>>
>> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, what am I missing?
>> >> -Brian
>> >>
>> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
>> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
>> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
>> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
>> >> :
>> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> >> : :wq!
>>
>> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> :wq!

"I can hammer it back into shape later."
:wq!

Shaggie

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
>the scoop.
>
>It's just gonna be a track and street machine?

It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
front and rear. Just want it for fun.

>
>Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
>rat.
>
>I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
>to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
>deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.

I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
Example:
http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
scoop.

>
>That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
>side of the block or a piston in pieces.

Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
that has the potential for doing damage like that.

>
>I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
>with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
>right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
>safe trail running.

Ugh.

>
>See:
>Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
>
>Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
>didn't know he had a scoop....
>
>Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
>plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
>
>There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....

Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)

>
>Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
>the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
>Jeep......

If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
case I'm covered. Take care.

>
>Mike
>
>Shaggie wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
>> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>>
>> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
>>
>> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, what am I missing?
>> >> -Brian
>> >>
>> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
>> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
>> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
>> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
>> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
>> >> :
>> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> >> : :wq!
>>
>> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
>> :wq!

"I can hammer it back into shape later."
:wq!

DougW

Shaggie did pass the time by typing:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Except, most of us that have to use a hood scoop do it because
>> under it is at least a tunnel ram:
>> http://www.----------.com/daveMalibu.jpg

> I'm special. Rode the short bus and all that. :-)
> My hood got burned up when my engine caught on fire and I just figured
> while I was taking care of the burned spots that I'd have a little
> fun. No harm in that, I guess. It'd be pretty boring if everybody's
> ride looked exactly the same. Going from my last offroad vehicle to
> this Jeep decreased my originality factor several-fold. Cut me some
> slack. :-)

slack? In this group. :)

While your rebuilding, add one of these.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...ro-Street.html

^_^

--
DougW

DougW

Shaggie did pass the time by typing:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Except, most of us that have to use a hood scoop do it because
>> under it is at least a tunnel ram:
>> http://www.----------.com/daveMalibu.jpg

> I'm special. Rode the short bus and all that. :-)
> My hood got burned up when my engine caught on fire and I just figured
> while I was taking care of the burned spots that I'd have a little
> fun. No harm in that, I guess. It'd be pretty boring if everybody's
> ride looked exactly the same. Going from my last offroad vehicle to
> this Jeep decreased my originality factor several-fold. Cut me some
> slack. :-)

slack? In this group. :)

While your rebuilding, add one of these.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...ro-Street.html

^_^

--
DougW

DougW

Shaggie did pass the time by typing:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Except, most of us that have to use a hood scoop do it because
>> under it is at least a tunnel ram:
>> http://www.----------.com/daveMalibu.jpg

> I'm special. Rode the short bus and all that. :-)
> My hood got burned up when my engine caught on fire and I just figured
> while I was taking care of the burned spots that I'd have a little
> fun. No harm in that, I guess. It'd be pretty boring if everybody's
> ride looked exactly the same. Going from my last offroad vehicle to
> this Jeep decreased my originality factor several-fold. Cut me some
> slack. :-)

slack? In this group. :)

While your rebuilding, add one of these.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...ro-Street.html

^_^

--
DougW

DougW

Shaggie did pass the time by typing:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Except, most of us that have to use a hood scoop do it because
>> under it is at least a tunnel ram:
>> http://www.----------.com/daveMalibu.jpg

> I'm special. Rode the short bus and all that. :-)
> My hood got burned up when my engine caught on fire and I just figured
> while I was taking care of the burned spots that I'd have a little
> fun. No harm in that, I guess. It'd be pretty boring if everybody's
> ride looked exactly the same. Going from my last offroad vehicle to
> this Jeep decreased my originality factor several-fold. Cut me some
> slack. :-)

slack? In this group. :)

While your rebuilding, add one of these.
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...ro-Street.html

^_^

--
DougW

Mike Romain

Cool.

I was just giving you a heads up. I would be thinking on a flap with a
manual choke cable open and closed for it.

I like your Bug shots and remember you are the dude with the horse shoes
up his butt... ;-) LOL!

I had a 68 1500 3 speed semi automatic Bug that 'really' got me into off
roading! Man the places that silly thing would go and got me into....
And the electric clutch switch in the gear shift. That was a funny
thing, I could rev it up and take my hand off the gear shift and it
would just smoke out the G78-15's I has on the back.

I got stuck once on the mud flats in the Minas Basin on the east coast
with the highest tides in the world. I was almost 3 miles out and we
had to hike to shore to get shovels to get us out.

Mike

Shaggie wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
> >the scoop.
> >
> >It's just gonna be a track and street machine?
>
> It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
> bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
> Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
> intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
> front and rear. Just want it for fun.
>
> >
> >Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
> >rat.
> >
> >I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
> >to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
> >deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.
>
> I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
> baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
> Example:
> http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
> Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
> it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
> drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
> the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
> already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
> slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
> with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
> careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
> help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
> scoop.
>
> >
> >That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
> >side of the block or a piston in pieces.
>
> Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
> give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
> Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
> appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
> that has the potential for doing damage like that.
>
> >
> >I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
> >with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
> >right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
> >safe trail running.
>
> Ugh.
>
> >
> >See:
> >Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
> >
> >Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
> >didn't know he had a scoop....
> >
> >Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
> >plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
> >
> >There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....
>
> Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
> too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
> can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)
>
> >
> >Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
> >the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
> >Jeep......
>
> If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
> snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
> really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
> prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
> for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
> case I'm covered. Take care.
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Shaggie wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
> >> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
> >>
> >> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, what am I missing?
> >> >> -Brian
> >> >>
> >> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
> >> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
> >> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
> >> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
> >> >> :
> >> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> >> : :wq!
> >>
> >> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> :wq!
>
> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> :wq!

Mike Romain

Cool.

I was just giving you a heads up. I would be thinking on a flap with a
manual choke cable open and closed for it.

I like your Bug shots and remember you are the dude with the horse shoes
up his butt... ;-) LOL!

I had a 68 1500 3 speed semi automatic Bug that 'really' got me into off
roading! Man the places that silly thing would go and got me into....
And the electric clutch switch in the gear shift. That was a funny
thing, I could rev it up and take my hand off the gear shift and it
would just smoke out the G78-15's I has on the back.

I got stuck once on the mud flats in the Minas Basin on the east coast
with the highest tides in the world. I was almost 3 miles out and we
had to hike to shore to get shovels to get us out.

Mike

Shaggie wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
> >the scoop.
> >
> >It's just gonna be a track and street machine?
>
> It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
> bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
> Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
> intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
> front and rear. Just want it for fun.
>
> >
> >Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
> >rat.
> >
> >I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
> >to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
> >deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.
>
> I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
> baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
> Example:
> http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
> Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
> it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
> drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
> the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
> already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
> slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
> with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
> careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
> help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
> scoop.
>
> >
> >That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
> >side of the block or a piston in pieces.
>
> Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
> give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
> Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
> appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
> that has the potential for doing damage like that.
>
> >
> >I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
> >with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
> >right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
> >safe trail running.
>
> Ugh.
>
> >
> >See:
> >Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
> >
> >Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
> >didn't know he had a scoop....
> >
> >Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
> >plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
> >
> >There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....
>
> Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
> too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
> can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)
>
> >
> >Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
> >the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
> >Jeep......
>
> If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
> snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
> really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
> prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
> for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
> case I'm covered. Take care.
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Shaggie wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
> >> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
> >>
> >> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, what am I missing?
> >> >> -Brian
> >> >>
> >> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
> >> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
> >> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
> >> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
> >> >> :
> >> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> >> : :wq!
> >>
> >> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> :wq!
>
> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> :wq!

Mike Romain

Cool.

I was just giving you a heads up. I would be thinking on a flap with a
manual choke cable open and closed for it.

I like your Bug shots and remember you are the dude with the horse shoes
up his butt... ;-) LOL!

I had a 68 1500 3 speed semi automatic Bug that 'really' got me into off
roading! Man the places that silly thing would go and got me into....
And the electric clutch switch in the gear shift. That was a funny
thing, I could rev it up and take my hand off the gear shift and it
would just smoke out the G78-15's I has on the back.

I got stuck once on the mud flats in the Minas Basin on the east coast
with the highest tides in the world. I was almost 3 miles out and we
had to hike to shore to get shovels to get us out.

Mike

Shaggie wrote:
>
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:43:12 -0400, Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >I had to save the photo to my drive and lighten it a whole bunch to see
> >the scoop.
> >
> >It's just gonna be a track and street machine?
>
> It's gonna be 90% trail, 10% road to/from the trail machine. I just
> bought my first brand new car, a 2004 Civic for my daily driver. The
> Jeep is now ONLY for the trails and to get there and back. I don't
> intend to go crazy with it with stuff like 44" boggers and lockers
> front and rear. Just want it for fun.
>
> >
> >Off road that scoop will be an engine blower unless you are a desert
> >rat.
> >
> >I don't know if you have noticed or not, but CJ's have a real tendency
> >to toss a 'whole bunch' of water right up on the hood even in mild not
> >deep puddles. If it hits the bumper, it hits the windshield.
>
> I've been offroading for years now, but most of it has been with my
> baja. When I drove that car offroad, a big puddle meant HIT IT HARD.
> Example:
> http://bugadventures.dyndns.org/withjeep/3.html
> Now I've gotten a little older and my back gives me trouble so I take
> it much easier. I sold the baja and bought my Jeep and now I like to
> drive nice and slow over the rocks and hills and nice and slow through
> the puddles. If I get stuck, that's what the winch is for. Yes, I've
> already soaked my windshield/hood a couple of times even with my
> slowed-down style of offroading so I realize I could still do damage
> with a hood scoop. I appreciate the warning, but I plan on being
> careful. I'm going to put a pre-filter on my air-cleaner which should
> help some in case I throw some water/mud up onto the hood and into the
> scoop.
>
> >
> >That scoop would just go 'gulp' and you would have a rod tossed out the
> >side of the block or a piston in pieces.
>
> Yeah, I realize that, but only if the water gets into the engine. I'd
> give the same advice to a teenage kid with running boards on his dad's
> Ford Escape out on the trails. :-) Don't get me wrong. I still
> appreciate the warning, but I'm not gonna go charging into a puddle
> that has the potential for doing damage like that.
>
> >
> >I now warn folks to check their stock intakes when they come running
> >with me. 'Some' CJ's, YJ's and TJ's have an intake tube that sucks
> >right below the headlight. Some don't. This tube must be taken off for
> >safe trail running.
>
> Ugh.
>
> >
> >See:
> >Aug/01 http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292076845
> >
> >Note I am taking the photo from the other side, he didn't make it, he
> >didn't know he had a scoop....
> >
> >Got lucky, he was turning low rpm and no damage. Water blew out 4 spark
> >plug holes when we hauled him out and emptied the water out.
> >
> >There 'is' a reason you never see hood scoops on Jeeps.....
>
> Sure, I realize that. I also realize there's a reason you don't see
> too many '63 VW Bugs turned into bajas with camo-paint and Budweiser
> can wrapped around the coil, but I got that kinda class. ;-)
>
> >
> >Now if you turned that into a ram air snorkel up above the top edge of
> >the windshield, it would be a functional snorkel addition to a
> >Jeep......
>
> If I was going to get into DEEP mud or puddles then I'd consider a
> snorkel, but for the kind of mild offroading I'm doing right now I
> really think I'll be ok as long as I take it easy and put the
> prefilter on the air filter before hitting the trails. Again, thanks
> for the advice. I don't take it lightly. I just feel that in this
> case I'm covered. Take care.
>
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Shaggie wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:26 -0400, Mike Romain
> >> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Donno, but I am missing it just as bad....
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hmm. Now I know why it's called a "stealth" model hood scoop. :)
> >>
> >> >Cherokee-LTD wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, what am I missing?
> >> >> -Brian
> >> >>
> >> >> "Shaggie" <me@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:r1lb70prorivsahmimkmqb69267sq9bn9n@4ax.com...
> >> >> : Gonna have to do some "minor" fabrication work here, and paint
> >> >> : afterwards, but this is gonna look COOL!!!!!
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/02.jpg
> >> >> : http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep/stage3/03.jpg
> >> >> : WOOT WOOT!!!! That thing's gonna add at least 100 hp!!! :-)
> >> >> :
> >> >> : "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> >> : :wq!
> >>
> >> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> >> :wq!
>
> "I can hammer it back into shape later."
> :wq!