billy ray

Quite so.

My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
new Grand Cherokees.

Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
use.... as "factory poser" so to say.


"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Their money is just as good as ours.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> ---snippy---
>>
>> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
>> wanna
>> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
> to
>> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
>> homies on suede leather seats
>>
>> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
>> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
>> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>>
> ---snippy---
>
>

billy ray

Quite so.

My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
new Grand Cherokees.

Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
use.... as "factory poser" so to say.


"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Their money is just as good as ours.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> ---snippy---
>>
>> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
>> wanna
>> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
> to
>> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
>> homies on suede leather seats
>>
>> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
>> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
>> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>>
> ---snippy---
>
>

billy ray

Quite so.

My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
new Grand Cherokees.

Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
use.... as "factory poser" so to say.


"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Their money is just as good as ours.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> ---snippy---
>>
>> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
>> wanna
>> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat" tires
> to
>> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
>> homies on suede leather seats
>>
>> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep" The
>> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo, and
>> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>>
> ---snippy---
>
>

Earle Horton

I don't know about Ford parts, but with respect to the Chrysler electronic
ignition, there was some kind of gizmo that the dealers had, that you
plugged into it, and it would tell you if it was good or not. I imagine
that Ford had the same. I never looked at a schematic, but the Chrysler one
was obviously nothing more than an amplifier, that allowed a more accurate
but low current magnetic pickup to be used in place of the points and
condenser that it replaced. Maybe you would call it an impulse generator
instead, or an integrator. You could make one with parts from Radio Shack,
if you wanted, but the convenience of parts sealed in tar, hopefully
resistant to environmental damage, and not really all that expensive kept
people from developing sufficient interest. Plenty of after market
replacements are available too.

With respect to "tuning up" the system, that was little more than replacing
parts and making sure that the reluctor air gap hadn't changed much.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dr8251$1cd$1@reader2.panix.com...
> AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
> off-the-shelf Ford part.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition
module
> > was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> > else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> > operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course
excluding
> > the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> > caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling
line
> > fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from
memory.)
> > Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
> >
> > One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of
1978,
> > when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about
1/16".
> > Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> > rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> > suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing
else
> > to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old
style
> > rotor installed.
> >
> > Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> > Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> > coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> > real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the
Dodge
> > dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> > vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >
> > maintenance so
> >
> >>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
> >
> > AMC
> >
> >>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
> >

Earle Horton

I don't know about Ford parts, but with respect to the Chrysler electronic
ignition, there was some kind of gizmo that the dealers had, that you
plugged into it, and it would tell you if it was good or not. I imagine
that Ford had the same. I never looked at a schematic, but the Chrysler one
was obviously nothing more than an amplifier, that allowed a more accurate
but low current magnetic pickup to be used in place of the points and
condenser that it replaced. Maybe you would call it an impulse generator
instead, or an integrator. You could make one with parts from Radio Shack,
if you wanted, but the convenience of parts sealed in tar, hopefully
resistant to environmental damage, and not really all that expensive kept
people from developing sufficient interest. Plenty of after market
replacements are available too.

With respect to "tuning up" the system, that was little more than replacing
parts and making sure that the reluctor air gap hadn't changed much.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dr8251$1cd$1@reader2.panix.com...
> AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
> off-the-shelf Ford part.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition
module
> > was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> > else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> > operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course
excluding
> > the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> > caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling
line
> > fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from
memory.)
> > Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
> >
> > One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of
1978,
> > when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about
1/16".
> > Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> > rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> > suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing
else
> > to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old
style
> > rotor installed.
> >
> > Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> > Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> > coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> > real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the
Dodge
> > dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> > vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >
> > maintenance so
> >
> >>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
> >
> > AMC
> >
> >>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
> >

Earle Horton

I don't know about Ford parts, but with respect to the Chrysler electronic
ignition, there was some kind of gizmo that the dealers had, that you
plugged into it, and it would tell you if it was good or not. I imagine
that Ford had the same. I never looked at a schematic, but the Chrysler one
was obviously nothing more than an amplifier, that allowed a more accurate
but low current magnetic pickup to be used in place of the points and
condenser that it replaced. Maybe you would call it an impulse generator
instead, or an integrator. You could make one with parts from Radio Shack,
if you wanted, but the convenience of parts sealed in tar, hopefully
resistant to environmental damage, and not really all that expensive kept
people from developing sufficient interest. Plenty of after market
replacements are available too.

With respect to "tuning up" the system, that was little more than replacing
parts and making sure that the reluctor air gap hadn't changed much.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dr8251$1cd$1@reader2.panix.com...
> AMC's ignition module -- at least for the 1976-1982 I-6 -- was an
> off-the-shelf Ford part.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > AMC didn't sell enough cars, to be able to say that their ignition
module
> > was problematic or not. Chrysler modules would fail, as does everything
> > else on a vehicle, but only because Chrysler vehicles were capable of
> > operating long enough, for components to wear out. I am of course
excluding
> > the vehicles, that left the factory with engine mount bolts missing, rod
> > caps improperly torqued, ring gaps still aligned, transmission cooling
line
> > fittings not drilled all the way through, etc. (These are all from
memory.)
> > Sometimes, but not always, it would be caught in "Dealer Prep."
> >
> > One thing they did, that I never understood, was about the middle of
1978,
> > when they shortened the outboard end of the ignition rotor by about
1/16".
> > Maybe the change had something to do with FCC regulations, or making the
> > rotors cheaper. The guys in the Dodge dealer service bays were all
> > suspicious of this change. A number of customer vehicles, with nothing
else
> > to explain a poor performance complaint, left the garage with an old
style
> > rotor installed.
> >
> > Usually if the ignition module is bad, it is pretty easy to figure out.
> > Everything else is working, but there is no spark. If this vehicle kept
> > coming back for the same complaint, the mechanics failed to diagnose the
> > real cause, choosing instead to throw parts at it. The guys at the
Dodge
> > dealer got pretty good at diagnosis, again because Chrysler sold enough
> > vehicles for them to get the practice they needed.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:43D6BA08.DC2794FC@***.net...
> >
> >> Please write him. I've never heard of troubles with AMC or Fords
> >>ignition modules. Many with Chrysler's attempts at transistor ignition.
> >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>billy ray wrote:
> >>
> >>>I was gone those years except for a couple trips home so I don't know
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>history in depth. I did drive it once to the airport as was impressed
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>the road manners of the AWD.
> >>>
> >>>My Dad drove 30-35K miles a year and was good about scheduled
> >
> > maintenance so
> >
> >>>it wasn't the cost that bothered him as much as the unreliability
> >>>
> >>>I seem to recall him saying after a breakdown (No Start) and tow to the
> >
> > AMC
> >
> >>>dealership they would do "a tune up" and then he would be good again
for
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>while when it would happen again.
> >>>
> >>>Did these things have a Crank Sensor?
> >>>
> >>>I'll send him an e-mail and ask what he recalls..
> >
> >
> >

Earle Horton

Are you absolutely sure that "outrunning da man" while "'takin' care of
bizness" is not legitimate SUV use? I know plenty who would disagree with
you. This vehicle is just adapted to different terrain, that's all. In
other surroundings you would want a lift, big tires, and a tail light
cut-off switch. ;^)

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:b378a$43d79790$4831b233$22769@FUSE.NET...
> Quite so.
>
> My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
> new Grand Cherokees.
>
> Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
> specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
> use.... as "factory poser" so to say.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Their money is just as good as ours.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> > ---snippy---
> >>
> >> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
> >> wanna
> >> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat"
tires
> > to
> >> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> >> homies on suede leather seats
> >>
> >> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep"
The
> >> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo,
and
> >> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
> >>
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Are you absolutely sure that "outrunning da man" while "'takin' care of
bizness" is not legitimate SUV use? I know plenty who would disagree with
you. This vehicle is just adapted to different terrain, that's all. In
other surroundings you would want a lift, big tires, and a tail light
cut-off switch. ;^)

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:b378a$43d79790$4831b233$22769@FUSE.NET...
> Quite so.
>
> My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
> new Grand Cherokees.
>
> Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
> specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
> use.... as "factory poser" so to say.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Their money is just as good as ours.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> > ---snippy---
> >>
> >> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
> >> wanna
> >> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat"
tires
> > to
> >> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> >> homies on suede leather seats
> >>
> >> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep"
The
> >> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo,
and
> >> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
> >>
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

Are you absolutely sure that "outrunning da man" while "'takin' care of
bizness" is not legitimate SUV use? I know plenty who would disagree with
you. This vehicle is just adapted to different terrain, that's all. In
other surroundings you would want a lift, big tires, and a tail light
cut-off switch. ;^)

Earle

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:b378a$43d79790$4831b233$22769@FUSE.NET...
> Quite so.
>
> My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of all
> new Grand Cherokees.
>
> Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
> specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
> use.... as "factory poser" so to say.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > Their money is just as good as ours.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
> > ---snippy---
> >>
> >> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
> >> wanna
> >> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat"
tires
> > to
> >> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos 'n
> >> homies on suede leather seats
> >>
> >> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep"
The
> >> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo,
and
> >> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
> >>
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >
>
>

billy ray

If that was your intended use you would get the Heflin version.
Unfortunately it has only the 5.7 liter engine.

I suppose you could send your SRT8 to Hess and Eisenhart for conversion.



"Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43d79b6f$0$1343$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> Are you absolutely sure that "outrunning da man" while "'takin' care of
> bizness" is not legitimate SUV use? I know plenty who would disagree with
> you. This vehicle is just adapted to different terrain, that's all. In
> other surroundings you would want a lift, big tires, and a tail light
> cut-off switch. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:b378a$43d79790$4831b233$22769@FUSE.NET...
>> Quite so.
>>
>> My reply to Bill was on his use of a SRT8 picture as representative of
>> all
>> new Grand Cherokees.
>>
>> Upon researching that particular model it became apparent that it was
>> specifically NOT intended to be capable of any serious (legitimate) SUV
>> use.... as "factory poser" so to say.
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse--NOSPAM--busters@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:43d72c27$0$1334$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>> > Their money is just as good as ours.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> > news:d3f5a$43d6ebde$4831b233$30355@FUSE.NET...
>> > ---snippy---
>> >>
>> >> This edition is tuned for its intended audience - the urban gangsta,
>> >> wanna
>> >> look kewl, ghetto dweller who will require the standard "run-flat"
> tires
>> > to
>> >> be ."outrunning da man" while 'takin' care of bizness" with his 'hos
>> >> 'n
>> >> homies on suede leather seats
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps you are right..... the SRT8 should not carry the name 'Jeep"
> The
>> >> only options I see missing is a "Continental Kit" , 1000 watt stereo,
> and
>> >> huge whitewalls to have a perfect "factory" pimp-mobile.
>> >>
>> > ---snippy---
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>