Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

On Oct 2, 4:23 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> How many miles since your last transmission service? Did you check the
> tranny fluid yourself between January and March?
>
> "GLB" <g...@imagesbyglb.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4701c370$0$18931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2001 GC 45RFE transmission with the 4.7 V8.
> > Had a trans flush in January at the Jeep dealer.
> > Up to March the fluid was ok per Jeep when it was in for other repairs,
> > honestly I didn't check because it never showed any indications of
> > leaking.
> > Beginning of June we headed out of town pulling a small trailer. Half hour
> > out the trans temp light comes on and check engine light. Putting it in
> > neutral and running it turned off the trans temp light but it came on
> > again.
> > We headed home to swap out the truck for my wifes GC and we continued on
> > to
> > NC from FL without the trailer. Upon return I took the truck to Jeep and
> > they said it was 3 quarts low of fluid. Somehow I LOST, 3 quarts of fluid
> > in
> > a couple months without any dripping from the pan or spraying back behind
> > the tailshaft. Hmmm . . . .
> > They cleared the codes, pulled the LEAKING pan, replaced both filters and
> > reinstalled the pan. Everything was fine for awhile. Then the tranny
> > started
> > acting up again, not shifting right and the fan would come on at a light
> > like it was hot. No temp light but it threw a couple codes relating to
> > front
> > pump pressure I was told.
> > Jeep wanted almost 4k for a MOPAR tranny, 3 year 80k warranty. A local
> > tranny shop put one in (MOPAR, same tranny) for 1k less. 2nd day of
> > driving
> > when it was put in gear when cold the tranny would slip like crazy for
> > about
> > 30 seconds untill I assume pressure built up and the torque converter
> > engaged properly. Once warm it shifted OK but honestly my old tranny with
> > its issues shifted quieter & smoother.
>
> > Question:
> > 1) Would driving it 3 quarts low cause a problem with the "Front Pump"?
> > 2) What would cause the NEW tranny to slip so much when first engaged?
> > I can rev the engine with the tranny engaged (drive or reverse) and its
> > like
> > slipping a clutch on a stick shift without the truck hardly moving. This
> > only lasts like I said about 20-30 seconds.
>
> > Frustrated!
>
> > g...@imagesbyglb.com
>
> > Pet friendly Vacation in the Smokies
> >http://www.deepcreekhideaway.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

GLB,

Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?

Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
"factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.

Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...

At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
straight back to the transmission shop......

Jon

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

On Oct 2, 4:23 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> How many miles since your last transmission service? Did you check the
> tranny fluid yourself between January and March?
>
> "GLB" <g...@imagesbyglb.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4701c370$0$18931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2001 GC 45RFE transmission with the 4.7 V8.
> > Had a trans flush in January at the Jeep dealer.
> > Up to March the fluid was ok per Jeep when it was in for other repairs,
> > honestly I didn't check because it never showed any indications of
> > leaking.
> > Beginning of June we headed out of town pulling a small trailer. Half hour
> > out the trans temp light comes on and check engine light. Putting it in
> > neutral and running it turned off the trans temp light but it came on
> > again.
> > We headed home to swap out the truck for my wifes GC and we continued on
> > to
> > NC from FL without the trailer. Upon return I took the truck to Jeep and
> > they said it was 3 quarts low of fluid. Somehow I LOST, 3 quarts of fluid
> > in
> > a couple months without any dripping from the pan or spraying back behind
> > the tailshaft. Hmmm . . . .
> > They cleared the codes, pulled the LEAKING pan, replaced both filters and
> > reinstalled the pan. Everything was fine for awhile. Then the tranny
> > started
> > acting up again, not shifting right and the fan would come on at a light
> > like it was hot. No temp light but it threw a couple codes relating to
> > front
> > pump pressure I was told.
> > Jeep wanted almost 4k for a MOPAR tranny, 3 year 80k warranty. A local
> > tranny shop put one in (MOPAR, same tranny) for 1k less. 2nd day of
> > driving
> > when it was put in gear when cold the tranny would slip like crazy for
> > about
> > 30 seconds untill I assume pressure built up and the torque converter
> > engaged properly. Once warm it shifted OK but honestly my old tranny with
> > its issues shifted quieter & smoother.
>
> > Question:
> > 1) Would driving it 3 quarts low cause a problem with the "Front Pump"?
> > 2) What would cause the NEW tranny to slip so much when first engaged?
> > I can rev the engine with the tranny engaged (drive or reverse) and its
> > like
> > slipping a clutch on a stick shift without the truck hardly moving. This
> > only lasts like I said about 20-30 seconds.
>
> > Frustrated!
>
> > g...@imagesbyglb.com
>
> > Pet friendly Vacation in the Smokies
> >http://www.deepcreekhideaway.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

GLB,

Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?

Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
"factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.

Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...

At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
straight back to the transmission shop......

Jon

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

On Oct 2, 4:23 am, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> How many miles since your last transmission service? Did you check the
> tranny fluid yourself between January and March?
>
> "GLB" <g...@imagesbyglb.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4701c370$0$18931$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2001 GC 45RFE transmission with the 4.7 V8.
> > Had a trans flush in January at the Jeep dealer.
> > Up to March the fluid was ok per Jeep when it was in for other repairs,
> > honestly I didn't check because it never showed any indications of
> > leaking.
> > Beginning of June we headed out of town pulling a small trailer. Half hour
> > out the trans temp light comes on and check engine light. Putting it in
> > neutral and running it turned off the trans temp light but it came on
> > again.
> > We headed home to swap out the truck for my wifes GC and we continued on
> > to
> > NC from FL without the trailer. Upon return I took the truck to Jeep and
> > they said it was 3 quarts low of fluid. Somehow I LOST, 3 quarts of fluid
> > in
> > a couple months without any dripping from the pan or spraying back behind
> > the tailshaft. Hmmm . . . .
> > They cleared the codes, pulled the LEAKING pan, replaced both filters and
> > reinstalled the pan. Everything was fine for awhile. Then the tranny
> > started
> > acting up again, not shifting right and the fan would come on at a light
> > like it was hot. No temp light but it threw a couple codes relating to
> > front
> > pump pressure I was told.
> > Jeep wanted almost 4k for a MOPAR tranny, 3 year 80k warranty. A local
> > tranny shop put one in (MOPAR, same tranny) for 1k less. 2nd day of
> > driving
> > when it was put in gear when cold the tranny would slip like crazy for
> > about
> > 30 seconds untill I assume pressure built up and the torque converter
> > engaged properly. Once warm it shifted OK but honestly my old tranny with
> > its issues shifted quieter & smoother.
>
> > Question:
> > 1) Would driving it 3 quarts low cause a problem with the "Front Pump"?
> > 2) What would cause the NEW tranny to slip so much when first engaged?
> > I can rev the engine with the tranny engaged (drive or reverse) and its
> > like
> > slipping a clutch on a stick shift without the truck hardly moving. This
> > only lasts like I said about 20-30 seconds.
>
> > Frustrated!
>
> > g...@imagesbyglb.com
>
> > Pet friendly Vacation in the Smokies
> >http://www.deepcreekhideaway.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

GLB,

Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?

Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
"factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.

Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...

At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
straight back to the transmission shop......

Jon

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
expands...

"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>
> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>
> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>
> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
> straight back to the transmission shop......
>
> Jon
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
expands...

"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>
> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>
> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>
> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
> straight back to the transmission shop......
>
> Jon
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
expands...

"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>
> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>
> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>
> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
> straight back to the transmission shop......
>
> Jon
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
expands...

"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>
> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>
> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>
> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
> straight back to the transmission shop......
>
> Jon
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

I asked that on another group and he refused to answer....

I might have ticked him off by saying I thought the first unit died
because he continued to tow after all the idiot lights came on
indicating an overheat emergency....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
> enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
> expands...
>
> "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
>> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>>
>> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
>> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
>> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
>> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>>
>> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
>> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
>> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
>> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
>> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
>> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
>> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>>
>> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
>> straight back to the transmission shop......
>>
>> Jon
>>
>
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

I asked that on another group and he refused to answer....

I might have ticked him off by saying I thought the first unit died
because he continued to tow after all the idiot lights came on
indicating an overheat emergency....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
> enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
> expands...
>
> "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
>> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>>
>> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
>> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
>> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
>> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>>
>> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
>> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
>> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
>> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
>> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
>> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
>> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>>
>> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
>> straight back to the transmission shop......
>>
>> Jon
>>
>
>

Re: GC Tranny Issues
 

I asked that on another group and he refused to answer....

I might have ticked him off by saying I thought the first unit died
because he continued to tow after all the idiot lights came on
indicating an overheat emergency....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Have you checked your fluid level since the install? It may be just low
> enough to cause the problems you're having, once it warms up the fluid
> expands...
>
> "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191363788.783122.270960@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> Sounds fishy. Like Bill, I have to raise an eyebrow at the 3 qt.
>> figure. Oh well, that's ancient history, right?
>>
>> Are you _positive_ that it is a brand new unit, and not a factory
>> reman'd unit? When I was looking at options a little over a year ago,
>> the dealer told me I couldn't get a new trans -- all they used were
>> "factory" reman'd units. Hearsay for both of us, I suppose.
>>
>> Why do I ask? While a lag on shift from P to D or R is not unheard of
>> for this trans, it's far more common to see on a high mileage unit....
>> 20-30 seconds is a _long_ time for that kind of lag, no matter how
>> many miles.....do you get that much delay on every cold or first start
>> of the day? If the problem is lessened by putting the transmission in
>> neutral for a few seconds before shifting to D or R, you're showing
>> signs of a worn or seized front pump bushing...
>>
>> At any rate, with your symptom and your investment, I'd be heading
>> straight back to the transmission shop......
>>
>> Jon
>>
>
>