Garage floor sealant?
10-21-2003, 01:16 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Also, I thought I'd mention something you might want to consider and
that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
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that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
--
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There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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10-21-2003, 01:16 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Also, I thought I'd mention something you might want to consider and
that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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10-21-2003, 01:16 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Also, I thought I'd mention something you might want to consider and
that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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that is to stain the floor. You can stain then seal your garage and have
a killer industrial or high end look out there. The stain also can give
a mottled look which will hide dirt and imperfections much better than a
uniform paint job.
Matthew Crouse wrote:
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
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01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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10-21-2003, 10:36 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
How would POR-15 do?
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
10-21-2003, 10:36 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
How would POR-15 do?
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
10-21-2003, 10:36 PM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
How would POR-15 do?
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
I know, from spilling some on concrete, that it is very resistant about
coming off. lol
and like everyone else said..............prep the floor well!
When my garage was new, I used concrete floor sealer. Looked good for a
little while, but after a while and with the help of chemicals that I used,
scrubbing and cleaning, I don't think the sealant exists on the floor
anymore. :-(
just a thought,
dave
"Matthew Crouse" <mcrouse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:74f2e02b.0310210855.2587e903@posting.google.c om...
> I am about to purchase a new home, and I have a Jeep (aptly nicknamed
> Leaks n' Squeaks), another fairly leaky vehicle (78 MBZ 280SE), and
> two kids who love to make art and spill things. I'd rather not have
> my garage floor all stained, so I am asking for advice on garage floor
> sealant. Which ones are good to use, which ones are lousy, etc.
>
> I have seen ads for Muscle Gloss and it looks like good stuff, but
> it's a tad on the spendy side (>$300 for a 2-car garage). Also, I
> don't run a shop, so I probably don't need to spend the cash on
> industrial-grade stuff. I'd like something that will hold up (don't
> want to be re-painting the thing a couple of times a year), not be
> slippery (again, the kids), and not break the bank. I know Behr makes
> some, does anybody have any experience with their product? Any info,
> advice or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Matt
10-22-2003, 10:33 AM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Home Depot and Lowe's have a new floor sealant. it's an epoxy mix paint. It's
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
10-22-2003, 10:33 AM
#18
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Home Depot and Lowe's have a new floor sealant. it's an epoxy mix paint. It's
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
10-22-2003, 10:33 AM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
Home Depot and Lowe's have a new floor sealant. it's an epoxy mix paint. It's
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
10-22-2003, 10:41 AM
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Re: Garage floor sealant?
How much volume is the 'least amount'?
AUTOKAWKR wrote:
> Home Depot and Lowe's have a new floor sealant. it's an epoxy mix paint. It's
> new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
> Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
> too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
> and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
> pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
> the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
>
>
> Mr. Bill
> at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
> My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
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There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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AUTOKAWKR wrote:
> Home Depot and Lowe's have a new floor sealant. it's an epoxy mix paint. It's
> new and I don't know of anybody using it yet. I did a shop floor with a Sherwin
> Williams epoxy paint about 10 years ago. The floor after a good mopping looks
> too wet to walk on. It has a bulletproof coating. It's a scrennprinting shop
> and there's tons of chemicals and the floor is mint. But if your watchign
> pennies it's probably not for you. It's a 3 part mix that runs about $100 for
> the least amount plus it takes abotu 3 days to fully cure/dry.
>
>
> Mr. Bill
> at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
> My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
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01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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