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Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > The liquid is probably just condensation mixed with some carbon deposits from the exhaust. This is normal. Chris |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > The liquid is probably just condensation mixed with some carbon deposits from the exhaust. This is normal. Chris |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > The liquid is probably just condensation mixed with some carbon deposits from the exhaust. This is normal. Chris |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > You likely have a pinhole leak in the line or the line was just plain airlocked. The gas filter being in upside down is one suspect for this to happen. When the return line is below the center carb line, the gas all siphons back to the gas tank making it a bugger to get going after it sits. The second suspect is a pinhole in the line from the pump to the tank. This can be overcome bu priming the carb several times or like you did with the bucket of gas so the engine ran long enough for the pump to suck the air out of the line when it was hooked up. If it craps out tomorrow morning again, then prime the carb by pouring gas down it up to 3 times even and see if it goes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > You likely have a pinhole leak in the line or the line was just plain airlocked. The gas filter being in upside down is one suspect for this to happen. When the return line is below the center carb line, the gas all siphons back to the gas tank making it a bugger to get going after it sits. The second suspect is a pinhole in the line from the pump to the tank. This can be overcome bu priming the carb several times or like you did with the bucket of gas so the engine ran long enough for the pump to suck the air out of the line when it was hooked up. If it craps out tomorrow morning again, then prime the carb by pouring gas down it up to 3 times even and see if it goes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > You likely have a pinhole leak in the line or the line was just plain airlocked. The gas filter being in upside down is one suspect for this to happen. When the return line is below the center carb line, the gas all siphons back to the gas tank making it a bugger to get going after it sits. The second suspect is a pinhole in the line from the pump to the tank. This can be overcome bu priming the carb several times or like you did with the bucket of gas so the engine ran long enough for the pump to suck the air out of the line when it was hooked up. If it craps out tomorrow morning again, then prime the carb by pouring gas down it up to 3 times even and see if it goes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: fuel still a problem
88yj wrote:
> On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" > <LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>>> "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com... >>>>> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >>>>> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >>>>> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >>>>> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >>>>> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >>>>> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >>>>> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >>>>> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >>>>> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >>>>> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >>>>> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >>>>> thanks to anyone that can help >>>> My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >>>> line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >>>> pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >>>> line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >>>> rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >>>> Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >>>> sure it works? >>>> I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >>>> seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >>>> effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >>>> help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >>>> Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >>>> commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >>>> the parts that will solve the problem. >>> The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >>> When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >>> the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >>> Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >>> I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >>> siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >>> rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >>> done that 'too' many times.... >>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump > inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and > eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my > satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine > and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line > from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking > i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran > it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped > out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. > anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a > liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that > is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the > clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? > > thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions > You likely have a pinhole leak in the line or the line was just plain airlocked. The gas filter being in upside down is one suspect for this to happen. When the return line is below the center carb line, the gas all siphons back to the gas tank making it a bugger to get going after it sits. The second suspect is a pinhole in the line from the pump to the tank. This can be overcome bu priming the carb several times or like you did with the bucket of gas so the engine ran long enough for the pump to suck the air out of the line when it was hooked up. If it craps out tomorrow morning again, then prime the carb by pouring gas down it up to 3 times even and see if it goes. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
Re: fuel still a problem
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, 88yj <scrrules11@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" ><LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> > > "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > >news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com... >> > >> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >> > >> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >> > >> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >> > >> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >> > >> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >> > >> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >> > >> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >> > >> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >> > >> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >> > >> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >> > >> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >> >> > >> thanks to anyone that can help >> >> > > My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >> > > line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >> > > pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >> > > line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >> > > rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >> >> > > Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >> > > sure it works? >> >> > > I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >> > > seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >> > > effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >> > > help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >> > > Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >> > > commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >> > > the parts that will solve the problem. >> >> > The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >> >> > When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >> > the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >> >> > Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >> > I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >> > siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >> > rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >> > done that 'too' many times.... >> >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump >inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and >eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my >satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine >and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line >from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking >i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran >it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped >out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. >anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a >liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that >is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the >clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? It's not broken. You're seeing water (normal condensation in the exhaust) mixed with some soot from the exhaust pipe. Normal. As for your initial problem, possibly a crack or hole in the fuel line between the pump and the tank, causing it to draw in air rather than draw fuel from the tank. Just a guess. > >thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions |
Re: fuel still a problem
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, 88yj <scrrules11@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" ><LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> > > "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > >news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com... >> > >> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >> > >> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >> > >> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >> > >> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >> > >> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >> > >> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >> > >> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >> > >> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >> > >> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >> > >> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >> > >> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >> >> > >> thanks to anyone that can help >> >> > > My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >> > > line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >> > > pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >> > > line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >> > > rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >> >> > > Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >> > > sure it works? >> >> > > I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >> > > seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >> > > effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >> > > help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >> > > Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >> > > commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >> > > the parts that will solve the problem. >> >> > The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >> >> > When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >> > the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >> >> > Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >> > I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >> > siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >> > rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >> > done that 'too' many times.... >> >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump >inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and >eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my >satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine >and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line >from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking >i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran >it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped >out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. >anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a >liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that >is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the >clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? It's not broken. You're seeing water (normal condensation in the exhaust) mixed with some soot from the exhaust pipe. Normal. As for your initial problem, possibly a crack or hole in the fuel line between the pump and the tank, causing it to draw in air rather than draw fuel from the tank. Just a guess. > >thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions |
Re: fuel still a problem
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, 88yj <scrrules11@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sep 15, 1:25 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" ><LWBillHug...@------.net> wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> Starting with the Buicks when the their fuel filter's bypass was shut >> off, like when someone put a regular filter in place of the stock one, the >> cam eccentric would be ground off to round, so as not pump the lever >> anymore.http://www.jimsautoparts.com/images/EG-1189.jpg >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:LW------...@aol.comhttp://www.----------.com/ >> >> "Mike Romain" <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> >> news:46ec0a24$0$28783$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> > > "88yj" <scrrule...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > >news:1189716881.175429.76520@r29g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com... >> > >> my 88 yj 4.2 is not getting fuel. ive checked the steel fuel line >> > >> that goes back to the tank. i also have checked every line between >> > >> this one and the carburetor. none of them are clogged or torn. the >> > >> fuel filter is new as well as the fuel pump. im about to drop the >> > >> tank and look at the hoses i cant see as of now. i tried this before >> > >> but the bolts on the first layer of sheet metal under the tank are >> > >> impossible to take off. 3 there and all 3 wont budge. is there >> > >> anything else i could check before trying the tank again? and what can >> > >> i do to get these damn bolts to move?! when i blow through the gas >> > >> line i dont hear any bubbling but know theres gas in it, unless it all >> > >> drips out unoticed buti idk how that could happen. >> >> > >> thanks to anyone that can help >> >> > > My '81 had two lines connected to the fuel filter on one end, and one >> > > line on the other. The lines in the center of the filter are the >> > > pass-through lines, the line off to the side is a vapor return. This >> > > line MUST be positioned so that it is at the top. Loosen the clamps and >> > > rotate the filter canister so that this line as positioned at 12:00. >> >> > > Your engine uses a mechanical fuel pump, I think. If so, have you made >> > > sure it works? >> >> > > I've not done a good job following your exploits under the hood, but it >> > > seems to me that you are spending an inordinate amount of time and >> > > effort on the fuel system. I know you've done lots of stuff, and I can't >> > > help but wonder if you are missing something that is very fundemental. >> > > Perhaps you could recap your adventures for us, and maybe there is a >> > > commonality that you are missing and your efforts are not directed at >> > > the parts that will solve the problem. >> >> > The last I had figured is he is out of gas.... >> >> > When he blows back through the fuel line he doesn't hear bubbles with >> > the gas cap open, he has a clear blow. >> >> > Either that or the line on top of the tank has broken where he can't see >> it. >> >> > I sure would toss a gallon or two into the tank to see if someone >> > siphoned it or the gauge is wrong before trying to tackle dropping a >> > rusted on tank... Way to many bolts to have to grind off. Been there >> > done that 'too' many times.... >> >> > Mike >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >good news! as of now at least. i once again put a hose from the pump >inlet to a jug of gas, as expected it cranked a few times and >eventually ran off the jug of gasoline. after running it to my >satisfaction i hooked everything up as normal. i cranked the engine >and it started, expecting it to just run off the gas still in the line >from the jug, i was surprised to see that it kept running. thinking >i was just underestimating the amount of gas left in the lines i ran >it for awhile, then checked the steel line to the tank and gas dripped >out as i unhooked it. so now it is getting gas fine from the tank. >anyone know what happened? is gonna happen again? also i now noticed a >liquid dripping from the tailpipe. its a clear and black liquid that >is not mixed evenly, the black stuff is kind of in the middle of the >clear stuff. anyone know what that is? how to fix it? It's not broken. You're seeing water (normal condensation in the exhaust) mixed with some soot from the exhaust pipe. Normal. As for your initial problem, possibly a crack or hole in the fuel line between the pump and the tank, causing it to draw in air rather than draw fuel from the tank. Just a guess. > >thanks to everyone for the previous help and future suggestions |
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