Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?

Regards,

Doug Gavilanes
Garden Grove, CA.

 

Go ahead and change the pump and filter, know that it's relay won't
be far behind, so get that too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Doug Gavilanes wrote:
>
> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug Gavilanes
> Garden Grove, CA.

 

Go ahead and change the pump and filter, know that it's relay won't
be far behind, so get that too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Doug Gavilanes wrote:
>
> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug Gavilanes
> Garden Grove, CA.

 

Go ahead and change the pump and filter, know that it's relay won't
be far behind, so get that too.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Doug Gavilanes wrote:
>
> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug Gavilanes
> Garden Grove, CA.

 

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
<gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?

Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
live long at all.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
<gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?

Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
live long at all.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
<gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?

Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
live long at all.

--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
> <gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> > gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> > then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> > felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> > called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> > and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> > and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> > due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> > ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> > filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> > tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> > cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> > most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> > area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> > my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> > up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> > glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> > only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> > it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> > pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> > case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> > likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
> freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
> are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
> they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
> just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
> it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
> to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
> my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
> performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
> pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
> live long at all.
>
> --

I will second that!

I would be cleaning up the power and especially the ground wires.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
> <gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> > gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> > then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> > felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> > called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> > and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> > and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> > due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> > ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> > filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> > tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> > cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> > most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> > area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> > my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> > up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> > glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> > only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> > it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> > pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> > case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> > likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
> freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
> are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
> they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
> just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
> it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
> to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
> my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
> performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
> pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
> live long at all.
>
> --

I will second that!

I would be cleaning up the power and especially the ground wires.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 05:30:23 UTC Doug Gavilanes
> <gavilan1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Here's a new one (on me). Tonight, after filling up my tank with liquid
> > gold at the ARCO, I turned the key, and the old 4.0L started to light,
> > then gagged and died. When I tried to start it again, the fuel line
> > felt like it was dry - no flow. I pushed it out from the gas pumps, and
> > called the shop that normally services my YJ (yeah, the NHRA, NASCAR,
> > and Baja 500 shop next door to my workplace in Torrance) on the cell,
> > and Gil suggested that the electric fuel pump probably seized up, either
> > due to some particulate getting into it, or because the pump gave up its
> > ghost. The tank had two or three gallons of 89 octane gold before I
> > filled it, so it didn't go dry. He suggested that I bang on the gas
> > tank a few times, and then try and start it again. Since I have a 4 D
> > cell Mag-Lite mounted on the side of my driver's seat, it seemed the
> > most appropriate tool at hand (no BF hammer handy...). I gave the tank
> > area four or five well placed raps on the skid plate (probably scuffed
> > my flashlight), then tried to turn the engine over. It started right
> > up. And drove all the way home back to the Disneyland area without a
> > glitch. I stopped before getting home to vote (in my party, there was
> > only one candidate, so I wrote in myself), and then jumped back in and
> > it started up again just fine. Should I come to the conclusion that the
> > pump had seized on some dirt, or should I replace the pump "just in
> > case"? I don't like being stranded 30 miles from home, but what's the
> > likelihood that I've got a BO pump? Any comments?
>
> Having had a fuel pump sieze on me, I would not be betting on the pump
> freeing itself and them continuing to work right. The vanes in those
> are made of a fairly brittle and unforgiving material - when the go,
> they really go. Likewise, when they sieze up, they stay stuck. And
> just banging on the skid plate ain't gonna even tickle the pump unless
> it's hit with enough oomph to dent the skid plate. What WILL respond
> to your puny little rap is a bad electrical connection - that would be
> my first point of attack. BTW, if it was siezed and your bump
> performed a miracle and freed it, look to be walking shortly - those
> pumps won't take much abuse by particles big enough to jam them and
> live long at all.
>
> --

I will second that!

I would be cleaning up the power and especially the ground wires.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's