billy ray

Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with the
needle valve.


"Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Hi Group
>
> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket area
> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
> bowl which would account
> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
> it.
>
> Fred
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>> Thanks Mike
>>
>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New ones
>>> come with carb kits.
>>>
>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>
>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>> >
>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>> > prime
>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off, does
>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>> > see
>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike
>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>> >
>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>> >> gas
>>>> >> when
>>>> >> it sits
>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fred
>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>> >> >> it a
>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is a
>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>> >> > reversed
>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>> >> > also.
>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>> >> > but
>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > DougW
>>>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with the
needle valve.


"Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
> Hi Group
>
> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket area
> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
> bowl which would account
> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
> it.
>
> Fred
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>> Thanks Mike
>>
>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New ones
>>> come with carb kits.
>>>
>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>
>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>> >
>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>> > prime
>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off, does
>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>> > see
>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike
>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>> >
>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>> >> gas
>>>> >> when
>>>> >> it sits
>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fred
>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>> >> >> it a
>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is a
>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>> >> > reversed
>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>> >> > also.
>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>> >> > but
>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > DougW
>>>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>

Fred V.

Hi Group

Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.

One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off the
engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
right. Running like new now.
Fred

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
> the needle valve.
>
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Hi Group
>>
>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>> area
>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>> bowl which would account
>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>> it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Thanks Mike
>>>
>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>> ones
>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>
>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>> > prime
>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>> > does
>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>> > see
>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mike
>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>> >> gas
>>>>> >> when
>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>> >> > but
>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Fred V.

Hi Group

Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.

One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off the
engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
right. Running like new now.
Fred

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
> the needle valve.
>
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Hi Group
>>
>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>> area
>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>> bowl which would account
>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>> it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Thanks Mike
>>>
>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>> ones
>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>
>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>> > prime
>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>> > does
>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>> > see
>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mike
>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>> >> gas
>>>>> >> when
>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>> >> > but
>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Fred V.

Hi Group

Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.

One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off the
engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
right. Running like new now.
Fred

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
> the needle valve.
>
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Hi Group
>>
>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>> area
>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>> bowl which would account
>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>> it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Thanks Mike
>>>
>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>> ones
>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>
>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>> > prime
>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>> > does
>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>> > see
>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mike
>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>> >> gas
>>>>> >> when
>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>> >> > but
>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Fred V.

Hi Group

Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.

One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off the
engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
right. Running like new now.
Fred

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
> the needle valve.
>
>
> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> Hi Group
>>
>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>> area
>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>> bowl which would account
>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>> it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Thanks Mike
>>>
>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>> ones
>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>
>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>> > prime
>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>> > does
>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>> > see
>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mike
>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>> >> gas
>>>>> >> when
>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps there
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>> >> > but
>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

billy ray

Fred,

Back in my drag racing days we tried all sorts of 'tricks' to get an edge in
performance.

One of those was spacers between the carburetor and manifold for two reasons
heat insulation and addition space for vaporization.

One thing is certain.... an awful lot of problems were caused by improperly
set floats and improperly balanced venturi.

It surprises me sometimes that guys with the older Jeeps live with their
carburetor problems....sometimes they are stuck because they live in a
socialist run state (like the kommunist koalition of kinky kooks and
knotheads of kalifornia) that go spastic if you want to make a change to
make your vehicle run better and pollute less..

Rebuilding carburetors used to be something that was commonplace and done
regularly but I guess that all the people who knew how are probably
retirement age now...

edvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BcHyg.183412$F_3.35189@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
> Hi Group
>
> Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
> attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
> a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
> in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.
>
> One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
> under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
> between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
> its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off
> the
> engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
> spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
> on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
> one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
> right. Running like new now.
> Fred
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
>> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
>> the needle valve.
>>
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>>> Hi Group
>>>
>>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>>> area
>>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>>> bowl which would account
>>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>>> Thanks Mike
>>>>
>>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>>> ones
>>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>>> > prime
>>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>>> > does
>>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>>> > see
>>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>>> >> gas
>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps
>>>>>> >> > there
>>>>>> >> > is
>>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>>> >> > but
>>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

Fred,

Back in my drag racing days we tried all sorts of 'tricks' to get an edge in
performance.

One of those was spacers between the carburetor and manifold for two reasons
heat insulation and addition space for vaporization.

One thing is certain.... an awful lot of problems were caused by improperly
set floats and improperly balanced venturi.

It surprises me sometimes that guys with the older Jeeps live with their
carburetor problems....sometimes they are stuck because they live in a
socialist run state (like the kommunist koalition of kinky kooks and
knotheads of kalifornia) that go spastic if you want to make a change to
make your vehicle run better and pollute less..

Rebuilding carburetors used to be something that was commonplace and done
regularly but I guess that all the people who knew how are probably
retirement age now...

edvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BcHyg.183412$F_3.35189@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
> Hi Group
>
> Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
> attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
> a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
> in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.
>
> One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
> under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
> between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
> its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off
> the
> engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
> spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
> on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
> one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
> right. Running like new now.
> Fred
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
>> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
>> the needle valve.
>>
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>>> Hi Group
>>>
>>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>>> area
>>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>>> bowl which would account
>>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>>> Thanks Mike
>>>>
>>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>>> ones
>>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>>> > prime
>>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>>> > does
>>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>>> > see
>>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>>> >> gas
>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps
>>>>>> >> > there
>>>>>> >> > is
>>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>>> >> > but
>>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

Fred,

Back in my drag racing days we tried all sorts of 'tricks' to get an edge in
performance.

One of those was spacers between the carburetor and manifold for two reasons
heat insulation and addition space for vaporization.

One thing is certain.... an awful lot of problems were caused by improperly
set floats and improperly balanced venturi.

It surprises me sometimes that guys with the older Jeeps live with their
carburetor problems....sometimes they are stuck because they live in a
socialist run state (like the kommunist koalition of kinky kooks and
knotheads of kalifornia) that go spastic if you want to make a change to
make your vehicle run better and pollute less..

Rebuilding carburetors used to be something that was commonplace and done
regularly but I guess that all the people who knew how are probably
retirement age now...

edvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BcHyg.183412$F_3.35189@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
> Hi Group
>
> Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
> attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
> a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
> in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.
>
> One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
> under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
> between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
> its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off
> the
> engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
> spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
> on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
> one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
> right. Running like new now.
> Fred
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
>> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
>> the needle valve.
>>
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>>> Hi Group
>>>
>>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>>> area
>>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>>> bowl which would account
>>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>>> Thanks Mike
>>>>
>>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>>> ones
>>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>>> > prime
>>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>>> > does
>>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>>> > see
>>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>>> >> gas
>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps
>>>>>> >> > there
>>>>>> >> > is
>>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>>> >> > but
>>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

Fred,

Back in my drag racing days we tried all sorts of 'tricks' to get an edge in
performance.

One of those was spacers between the carburetor and manifold for two reasons
heat insulation and addition space for vaporization.

One thing is certain.... an awful lot of problems were caused by improperly
set floats and improperly balanced venturi.

It surprises me sometimes that guys with the older Jeeps live with their
carburetor problems....sometimes they are stuck because they live in a
socialist run state (like the kommunist koalition of kinky kooks and
knotheads of kalifornia) that go spastic if you want to make a change to
make your vehicle run better and pollute less..

Rebuilding carburetors used to be something that was commonplace and done
regularly but I guess that all the people who knew how are probably
retirement age now...

edvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BcHyg.183412$F_3.35189@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
> Hi Group
>
> Finished up the carb rebuild. It really needed some
> attention it seems. Lots of leaky gaskets. Basically
> a clean job. Almost fun! No more leaks so the gas stays
> in the float bowl and it starts up cold fine again.
>
> One issue with the carb kit. The carburetor seems to have two gaskets
> under it. A smaller one right under it and a larger one
> between that and the manifold. The larger one looks like
> its main job is a spacer on my engine that makes the carb sit higher off
> the
> engine. The new kit contained the proper smaller gasket but a much thinner
> spacer gasket. Since the spacer gasket
> on the engine looked in perfect condition I reused that
> one. The new gasket would have changed the carb height. That didn't sound
> right. Running like new now.
> Fred
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:af915$44c13b0a$48311eaf$7836@FUSE.NET...
>> Be sure to carefully check and set your float level and be careful with
>> the needle valve.
>>
>>
>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ga5wg.70914$fb2.14813@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>>> Hi Group
>>>
>>> I see the problem. Fuel is seeping out of the accelerator pump gasket
>>> area
>>> which is on the side of the carburetor. This eventually drains the float
>>> bowl which would account
>>> for the starting problem. I got a carb kit so I will tackle
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Fred V." <fredvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wFyug.6195$2v.2286@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>>> Thanks Mike
>>>>
>>>> One carb kit to get! I had a hunch all along
>>>> it was a carburetor problem.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:44BA9649.4A1541C3@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> There ya go, you have a worn out accelerator pump then likely. New
>>>>> ones
>>>>> come with carb kits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also check that for a squirt when the engine recently shut
>>>>> down. There is the odd chance the carb has a crack allowing the
>>>>> accelerator pump sump to go dry, but it would be unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Choke is fine. No squirt of fuel though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44BA5846.C337E9F1@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>> > How is the choke?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On those, you are supposed to pump the gas pedal 2 or 3 times to
>>>>>> > prime
>>>>>> > it and to set the choke.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you open the air filter and pump the gas with the engine off,
>>>>>> > does
>>>>>> > the choke close tight? If you look inside and pump the gas, do you
>>>>>> > see
>>>>>> > a squirt of fuel?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Fred V." wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Well, I checked the new filter and I put it in ok. I
>>>>>> >> haven't seen any leaks in the gas lines.
>>>>>> >> One note: There was lots of gas in the old filter and
>>>>>> >> fuel pump when I took them out after the truck sat a
>>>>>> >> week, so it looks like gas is possibly getting to the carb ok?
>>>>>> >> I wonder if there is some other hose that is draining the carb of
>>>>>> >> gas
>>>>>> >> when
>>>>>> >> it sits
>>>>>> >> a day or longer? I don't see any leaks around the carburetor.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Fred
>>>>>> >> 85 GW 5.9
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:Sqbug.66547$9c6.38068@dukeread11...
>>>>>> >> > Fred V. wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Hi Group
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Well I finally got the new fuel pump in. I didn't
>>>>>> >> >> want to go in untill I got it at low cam.
>>>>>> >> >> That's the good news.
>>>>>> >> >> The bad news it has not fixed the cold start problem.
>>>>>> >> >> For all of the 10 years I have had this truck you have to crank
>>>>>> >> >> it a
>>>>>> >> >> few times when cold to get gas to it. Comments
>>>>>> >> >> here were to change the filter and fuel pump.
>>>>>> >> >> Well that's done but the problem persists. Possibly the
>>>>>> >> >> float bowl in the carb drains away when sitting a while?
>>>>>> >> >> Any comments on that possibility or others? I wonder if that is
>>>>>> >> >> a
>>>>>> >> >> major job.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Just thinking out loud.. :)
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > not familiar with your carb but on some fuel pressure pumps
>>>>>> >> > there
>>>>>> >> > is
>>>>>> >> > a return line and a carb supply line. If you get these two
>>>>>> >> > reversed
>>>>>> >> > then the carb will drain. Pressure regulators have check valves
>>>>>> >> > also.
>>>>>> >> > And so did my old Rochester 4M4 quadrajet (in the fuel filter),
>>>>>> >> > but
>>>>>> >> > that's not your carb.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > DougW
>>>>>> >> >
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