Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Did you drive it for twenty minutes with al least a 195 degree
thermostat, so as the new catalytic converter will reach sixteen hundred
degree to do it's job and chemically change pollutants like carbon
monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) and
particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like carbon dioxide
(CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O):
http://www.tifac.org.in/do/hgt/case/convert.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

> "Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> '88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3
> attempts cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone
> with similar problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Did you drive it for twenty minutes with al least a 195 degree
thermostat, so as the new catalytic converter will reach sixteen hundred
degree to do it's job and chemically change pollutants like carbon
monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) and
particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like carbon dioxide
(CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O):
http://www.tifac.org.in/do/hgt/case/convert.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

> "Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> '88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3
> attempts cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone
> with similar problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Did you drive it for twenty minutes with al least a 195 degree
thermostat, so as the new catalytic converter will reach sixteen hundred
degree to do it's job and chemically change pollutants like carbon
monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) and
particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like carbon dioxide
(CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O):
http://www.tifac.org.in/do/hgt/case/convert.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

> "Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> '88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3
> attempts cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone
> with similar problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Did you drive it for twenty minutes with al least a 195 degree
thermostat, so as the new catalytic converter will reach sixteen hundred
degree to do it's job and chemically change pollutants like carbon
monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) and
particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like carbon dioxide
(CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O):
http://www.tifac.org.in/do/hgt/case/convert.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

> "Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> '88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3
> attempts cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone
> with similar problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

>"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
>'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 >sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.


Do you have the readings they got on your engine? This may help diagnose it.

Chris

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

>"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
>'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 >sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.


Do you have the readings they got on your engine? This may help diagnose it.

Chris

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

>"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
>'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 >sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.


Do you have the readings they got on your engine? This may help diagnose it.

Chris

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

>"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
>'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 >sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.


Do you have the readings they got on your engine? This may help diagnose it.

Chris

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

how do your plugs look? recent tune-up done?


"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

how do your plugs look? recent tune-up done?


"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

how do your plugs look? recent tune-up done?


"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

how do your plugs look? recent tune-up done?


"Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10b2qctplc35qf4@corp.supernews.com...
'88 YJ, 4.2L, conv to FI, Mopar kit, C.A.R.B. approved, despite 3 attempts
cant pass smog, despite new O2 sensor and Cat. Conv. Anyone with similar
problem, how did you fix it. Need advise.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
make a difference?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
make a difference?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
make a difference?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
make a difference?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Yes, all reading were within normal range except the NOx @ 25mph, it has
read from 1200 to 1530 . Everything else now passes. What do you think this
means.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Yes, all reading were within normal range except the NOx @ 25mph, it has
read from 1200 to 1530 . Everything else now passes. What do you think this
means.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Yes, all reading were within normal range except the NOx @ 25mph, it has
read from 1200 to 1530 . Everything else now passes. What do you think this
means.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Yes, all reading were within normal range except the NOx @ 25mph, it has
read from 1200 to 1530 . Everything else now passes. What do you think this
means.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

I repeat the Catalytic converter operates at about 1,600 degrees
Fahrenheit, that's about three times the temperature of a cigarette.
So...... if it doesn't reach that temperature it's not going to
"convert" anything, understand?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

I repeat the Catalytic converter operates at about 1,600 degrees
Fahrenheit, that's about three times the temperature of a cigarette.
So...... if it doesn't reach that temperature it's not going to
"convert" anything, understand?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

I repeat the Catalytic converter operates at about 1,600 degrees
Fahrenheit, that's about three times the temperature of a cigarette.
So...... if it doesn't reach that temperature it's not going to
"convert" anything, understand?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

I repeat the Catalytic converter operates at about 1,600 degrees
Fahrenheit, that's about three times the temperature of a cigarette.
So...... if it doesn't reach that temperature it's not going to
"convert" anything, understand?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Bone P.A." wrote:
>
> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:04:36 UTC "Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Has nothing to do with breakin. The 20 minutes is to insure that the
cat actually is up to temp and in it's working range. Last summer I
had to get an emissions check and had to let it sit outside for a
couple of hours before we could get the bay open. Just for curiosity
- mine and the shop owner - we fired it up and ran the sniffer cold.
Ran it around the neighbor hood for 15-20 minutes, tested again. Took
it out on the freeway and ran it at 70-75 for about 30 miles then
tested a third time. The cold check failed miserably, the light
warmup helped a lot but it was still marginal. After the highway run,
all readings were low to midrange. Convincing enough the make that a
standard recommendation for that shop, especially for older vehicles.

--
Will Honea

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:04:36 UTC "Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Has nothing to do with breakin. The 20 minutes is to insure that the
cat actually is up to temp and in it's working range. Last summer I
had to get an emissions check and had to let it sit outside for a
couple of hours before we could get the bay open. Just for curiosity
- mine and the shop owner - we fired it up and ran the sniffer cold.
Ran it around the neighbor hood for 15-20 minutes, tested again. Took
it out on the freeway and ran it at 70-75 for about 30 miles then
tested a third time. The cold check failed miserably, the light
warmup helped a lot but it was still marginal. After the highway run,
all readings were low to midrange. Convincing enough the make that a
standard recommendation for that shop, especially for older vehicles.

--
Will Honea

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:04:36 UTC "Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Has nothing to do with breakin. The 20 minutes is to insure that the
cat actually is up to temp and in it's working range. Last summer I
had to get an emissions check and had to let it sit outside for a
couple of hours before we could get the bay open. Just for curiosity
- mine and the shop owner - we fired it up and ran the sniffer cold.
Ran it around the neighbor hood for 15-20 minutes, tested again. Took
it out on the freeway and ran it at 70-75 for about 30 miles then
tested a third time. The cold check failed miserably, the light
warmup helped a lot but it was still marginal. After the highway run,
all readings were low to midrange. Convincing enough the make that a
standard recommendation for that shop, especially for older vehicles.

--
Will Honea

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:04:36 UTC "Bone P.A." <bp@charter.net> wrote:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is that?
> Where is this type of information documented?

Has nothing to do with breakin. The 20 minutes is to insure that the
cat actually is up to temp and in it's working range. Last summer I
had to get an emissions check and had to let it sit outside for a
couple of hours before we could get the bay open. Just for curiosity
- mine and the shop owner - we fired it up and ran the sniffer cold.
Ran it around the neighbor hood for 15-20 minutes, tested again. Took
it out on the freeway and ran it at 70-75 for about 30 miles then
tested a third time. The cold check failed miserably, the light
warmup helped a lot but it was still marginal. After the highway run,
all readings were low to midrange. Convincing enough the make that a
standard recommendation for that shop, especially for older vehicles.

--
Will Honea

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Roughly 5/24/04 09:59, Bone P.A.'s monkeys randomly typed:

> Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
> it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
> make a difference?
>
>
If you can get a retest, take it out and run it on the freeway for at
least 10-15 minutes so the engine is good and hot. Before you do
this, fill the tank with something like Chevron premium.

--
Me human. You Computer. Me have BFH. You have fragile parts. You behave.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Roughly 5/24/04 09:59, Bone P.A.'s monkeys randomly typed:

> Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
> it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
> make a difference?
>
>
If you can get a retest, take it out and run it on the freeway for at
least 10-15 minutes so the engine is good and hot. Before you do
this, fill the tank with something like Chevron premium.

--
Me human. You Computer. Me have BFH. You have fragile parts. You behave.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Roughly 5/24/04 09:59, Bone P.A.'s monkeys randomly typed:

> Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
> it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
> make a difference?
>
>
If you can get a retest, take it out and run it on the freeway for at
least 10-15 minutes so the engine is good and hot. Before you do
this, fill the tank with something like Chevron premium.

--
Me human. You Computer. Me have BFH. You have fragile parts. You behave.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Roughly 5/24/04 09:59, Bone P.A.'s monkeys randomly typed:

> Don't know. I keep it tuned and it isn't a daily driver. Also I didn't that
> it for along drive after getting the Cat. Conv put it. Why does that seem to
> make a difference?
>
>
If you can get a retest, take it out and run it on the freeway for at
least 10-15 minutes so the engine is good and hot. Before you do
this, fill the tank with something like Chevron premium.

--
Me human. You Computer. Me have BFH. You have fragile parts. You behave.

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Bone P.A. (bp@charter.net) wrote on Monday 24 May 2004 12:04 pm:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is
> that? Where is this type of information documented?

When I lived in the Chicago suburbs, the emissions letter they mailed
explicitly said not to test with a cold engine, and to let your car warm up
for at least 20 minutes. Of course, in Chicago traffic, it usually took at
least 20 minutes to get anywhere.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Bone P.A. (bp@charter.net) wrote on Monday 24 May 2004 12:04 pm:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is
> that? Where is this type of information documented?

When I lived in the Chicago suburbs, the emissions letter they mailed
explicitly said not to test with a cold engine, and to let your car warm up
for at least 20 minutes. Of course, in Chicago traffic, it usually took at
least 20 minutes to get anywhere.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

Re: Fuel Injection Conv. can't pass CA. smog - any ideas, need advise
 

Bone P.A. (bp@charter.net) wrote on Monday 24 May 2004 12:04 pm:

> No, I did not. I drove it over city streets a few miles to the Smog Check
> Station. No one ever mentioned I needed to "break in the Cat." Why is
> that? Where is this type of information documented?

When I lived in the Chicago suburbs, the emissions letter they mailed
explicitly said not to test with a cold engine, and to let your car warm up
for at least 20 minutes. Of course, in Chicago traffic, it usually took at
least 20 minutes to get anywhere.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891