DougW

Lon did pass the time by typing:
> DougW proclaimed:
>
>> billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>> "These HCD speakers come with an inline capacitor
>>> (the black canister shaped object) that cuts out harmful bass.
>>>
>>> The lack of one of these was what caused the early demise
>>> of your OEM Jeep Infinity Tweeters."
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this mean that the speakers are most likely to fail when subjected to
>>> RAP music?
>>
>>
>> Yep. But actually heavy metal will nail a tweeter if you don't have
>> a good cap to cross out the lower frequencies.
>
> Classical music, particularly organ pedal, bassoon, bass violin. Even
> fancy liquid cooled tweeters like a Vifa are designed to handle only a
> very few watts in systems designed to handle hundreds of watts.

I almost mentioned the 1812 overture. :) Telarc produced a DDD version
with "Digital Cannon" Nice euphemism for "square wave."

--
DougW

Lon

DougW proclaimed:

> Lon did pass the time by typing:
>
>>DougW proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"These HCD speakers come with an inline capacitor
>>>>(the black canister shaped object) that cuts out harmful bass.
>>>>
>>>>The lack of one of these was what caused the early demise
>>>>of your OEM Jeep Infinity Tweeters."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean that the speakers are most likely to fail when subjected to
>>>>RAP music?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep. But actually heavy metal will nail a tweeter if you don't have
>>>a good cap to cross out the lower frequencies.
>>
>>Classical music, particularly organ pedal, bassoon, bass violin. Even
>>fancy liquid cooled tweeters like a Vifa are designed to handle only a
>>very few watts in systems designed to handle hundreds of watts.
>
>
> I almost mentioned the 1812 overture. :) Telarc produced a DDD version
> with "Digital Cannon" Nice euphemism for "square wave."
>
[Caution, Telarc/Vanguard junkie] I have the old original LP Telarc 1812
and the new digital version. Although it had a reputation for damaging
speakers, there are other Telarc recordings of more speaker damaging
capability, such as Don Dorsey's "Ascent" which if memory serves was
their highest output according to Jake Renner. The bass transients at
the beginning of that are higher than those of the juiced up Telarc
1812, followed by the stereotypical 16 Hz low organ tone. The worst
recording I've ever seen is Digital Domain which has the Big Note
followed by a hopped up 747 in a take off roll over a coupla Crown
PZM's. That one tore the bass cone of a Voice of the Theater and popped
the dust cap off an M&K subwoofer.

However the worst thing I've ever seen for tweeters is a 0 dB down set
of warbles from 19 to 20.5 Khz on a Denon demo CD. Blew the liquid
cooled tweeters on my M&K satellites with a HK Citation amp wound up.

Lon

DougW proclaimed:

> Lon did pass the time by typing:
>
>>DougW proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"These HCD speakers come with an inline capacitor
>>>>(the black canister shaped object) that cuts out harmful bass.
>>>>
>>>>The lack of one of these was what caused the early demise
>>>>of your OEM Jeep Infinity Tweeters."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean that the speakers are most likely to fail when subjected to
>>>>RAP music?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep. But actually heavy metal will nail a tweeter if you don't have
>>>a good cap to cross out the lower frequencies.
>>
>>Classical music, particularly organ pedal, bassoon, bass violin. Even
>>fancy liquid cooled tweeters like a Vifa are designed to handle only a
>>very few watts in systems designed to handle hundreds of watts.
>
>
> I almost mentioned the 1812 overture. :) Telarc produced a DDD version
> with "Digital Cannon" Nice euphemism for "square wave."
>
[Caution, Telarc/Vanguard junkie] I have the old original LP Telarc 1812
and the new digital version. Although it had a reputation for damaging
speakers, there are other Telarc recordings of more speaker damaging
capability, such as Don Dorsey's "Ascent" which if memory serves was
their highest output according to Jake Renner. The bass transients at
the beginning of that are higher than those of the juiced up Telarc
1812, followed by the stereotypical 16 Hz low organ tone. The worst
recording I've ever seen is Digital Domain which has the Big Note
followed by a hopped up 747 in a take off roll over a coupla Crown
PZM's. That one tore the bass cone of a Voice of the Theater and popped
the dust cap off an M&K subwoofer.

However the worst thing I've ever seen for tweeters is a 0 dB down set
of warbles from 19 to 20.5 Khz on a Denon demo CD. Blew the liquid
cooled tweeters on my M&K satellites with a HK Citation amp wound up.

Lon

DougW proclaimed:

> Lon did pass the time by typing:
>
>>DougW proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"These HCD speakers come with an inline capacitor
>>>>(the black canister shaped object) that cuts out harmful bass.
>>>>
>>>>The lack of one of these was what caused the early demise
>>>>of your OEM Jeep Infinity Tweeters."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Does this mean that the speakers are most likely to fail when subjected to
>>>>RAP music?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep. But actually heavy metal will nail a tweeter if you don't have
>>>a good cap to cross out the lower frequencies.
>>
>>Classical music, particularly organ pedal, bassoon, bass violin. Even
>>fancy liquid cooled tweeters like a Vifa are designed to handle only a
>>very few watts in systems designed to handle hundreds of watts.
>
>
> I almost mentioned the 1812 overture. :) Telarc produced a DDD version
> with "Digital Cannon" Nice euphemism for "square wave."
>
[Caution, Telarc/Vanguard junkie] I have the old original LP Telarc 1812
and the new digital version. Although it had a reputation for damaging
speakers, there are other Telarc recordings of more speaker damaging
capability, such as Don Dorsey's "Ascent" which if memory serves was
their highest output according to Jake Renner. The bass transients at
the beginning of that are higher than those of the juiced up Telarc
1812, followed by the stereotypical 16 Hz low organ tone. The worst
recording I've ever seen is Digital Domain which has the Big Note
followed by a hopped up 747 in a take off roll over a coupla Crown
PZM's. That one tore the bass cone of a Voice of the Theater and popped
the dust cap off an M&K subwoofer.

However the worst thing I've ever seen for tweeters is a 0 dB down set
of warbles from 19 to 20.5 Khz on a Denon demo CD. Blew the liquid
cooled tweeters on my M&K satellites with a HK Citation amp wound up.

billy ray

My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.

Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
> billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>> So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>> reasonable
>> levels don't have these speaker problems?
>
> Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
> for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>
> Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
> is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>
> It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
> out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>
> Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>
> I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
> blow
> the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
> amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
> playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>
> Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
> the rest is down on this page.
> http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>
> Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
> stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
> required
> to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
> of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
> thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
> replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
> it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
> below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
> crossovers. :D
>
> Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
> back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
> watch the Jeep shake apart.
>
> --
> DougW
>

billy ray

My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.

Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
> billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>> So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>> reasonable
>> levels don't have these speaker problems?
>
> Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
> for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>
> Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
> is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>
> It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
> out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>
> Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>
> I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
> blow
> the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
> amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
> playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>
> Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
> the rest is down on this page.
> http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>
> Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
> stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
> required
> to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
> of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
> thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
> replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
> it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
> below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
> crossovers. :D
>
> Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
> back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
> watch the Jeep shake apart.
>
> --
> DougW
>

billy ray

My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.

Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
> billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>> So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>> reasonable
>> levels don't have these speaker problems?
>
> Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
> for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>
> Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
> is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>
> It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
> out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>
> Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>
> I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
> blow
> the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
> amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
> playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>
> Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>
> http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
> the rest is down on this page.
> http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>
> Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
> stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
> required
> to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
> of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
> thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
> replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
> it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
> below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
> crossovers. :D
>
> Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
> back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
> watch the Jeep shake apart.
>
> --
> DougW
>

Lon

Franky Yankovic, father of Crazy Al.


billy ray proclaimed:

> My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.
>
> Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
>
>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>>>reasonable
>>>levels don't have these speaker problems?
>>
>>Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
>>for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>>
>>Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
>>is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>>
>>It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
>>out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>>
>>Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>>
>>I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
>>blow
>>the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
>>amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
>>playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>>
>>Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>>
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
>>the rest is down on this page.
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>>
>>Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
>>stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
>>required
>>to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
>>of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
>>thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
>>replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
>>it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
>>below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
>>crossovers. :D
>>
>>Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
>>back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
>>watch the Jeep shake apart.
>>
>>--
>>DougW
>>
>
>
>

Lon

Franky Yankovic, father of Crazy Al.


billy ray proclaimed:

> My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.
>
> Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
>
>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>>>reasonable
>>>levels don't have these speaker problems?
>>
>>Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
>>for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>>
>>Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
>>is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>>
>>It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
>>out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>>
>>Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>>
>>I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
>>blow
>>the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
>>amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
>>playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>>
>>Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>>
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
>>the rest is down on this page.
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>>
>>Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
>>stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
>>required
>>to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
>>of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
>>thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
>>replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
>>it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
>>below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
>>crossovers. :D
>>
>>Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
>>back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
>>watch the Jeep shake apart.
>>
>>--
>>DougW
>>
>
>
>

Lon

Franky Yankovic, father of Crazy Al.


billy ray proclaimed:

> My favorites are Myron Floren and Hymie Brueggen and his Polka Wildcats.
>
> Plus the cops won't bother you for listening to 'real' musik
>
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:CBpgg.52453$9c6.8300@dukeread11...
>
>>billy ray did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>>So ... normal people.... err people who listen to normal music at
>>>reasonable
>>>levels don't have these speaker problems?
>>
>>Depends. The lower frequencies heat up the tweeter. The power rating
>>for a tweeter is based on being crossed over at a specific frequency.
>>
>>Generally you are correct. The goal in building a good audio system
>>is to prevent damage no matter what joe goober does to the audio level.
>>
>>It's nice to play Snoopy and the Red Barron at a dB level that drowns
>>out the surround rap music. That or polka music. :] I'm evil.
>>
>>Just so you know I'm not talking out my *** here. ^_^
>>
>>I run a 300W system and used to compete in IASCA. It is impossible to
>>blow
>>the speakers in my Jeep. Unless you have a tiny screwdriver to run the
>>amplifiers bias up. The whole system was designed to have near zero noise
>>playing a 0bit track and no distortion playing whitenoise at full volume.
>>
>>Of course that's about 5grand in audio equipment. damn my hobbies! :/
>>
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/Jeepstereo.html
>>the rest is down on this page.
>>http://revbeergoggles.com/zj.html
>>
>>Installed in 1993, competed for seven years, several trophies and other
>>stuff. Never made the nationals as there are too many competitions
>>required
>>to get the points. Only lost one speaker and that was due to age. One
>>of the MB Quart 160 speakers finally surrendered to foam breakdown. Cool
>>thing is that I contacted MB Quart and asked them if they still made
>>replacements. They actually wanted my old speaker for forensics since
>>it was top of the line when I first bought it. They cut me a deal for
>>below wholesale on a brand new set of their new reference line, with
>>crossovers. :D
>>
>>Every now and then I think about just going nuts and building the ZJ
>>back to competition level. Something with a nice round 5000 watts and
>>watch the Jeep shake apart.
>>
>>--
>>DougW
>>
>
>
>