Front end vibration... still. :(
11-11-2006, 04:04 PM
#71
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Mike Romain wrote:
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
11-11-2006, 04:04 PM
#72
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Mike Romain wrote:
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
11-11-2006, 04:04 PM
#73
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Mike Romain wrote:
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
> Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Good call, Mike. Yes, he did, and I didn't catch it.
Another idea I've used in the past for some really troublesome vibration
problems in the past: pilot car. Have a buddy drive alongside while the
vibration is present; have him spot both sides to see if anything visual
will give the culprit away. A shimmying wheel, axle or steering
componant can often be seen this way.
I once used this to spot a loose spare tire on a 4-runner; symptoms were
a shudder and 'thump' noise when accellerating/decellerating somewhere
in the back. Apparantly, a thief took all but one lug nut off and
didn't finish the job for some reason, but slipped the cover back on
just for laughs.
11-13-2006, 10:04 PM
#74
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Justin, call that guy who is on the radio and diagnoses cars, Jeff
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
11-13-2006, 10:04 PM
#75
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Justin, call that guy who is on the radio and diagnoses cars, Jeff
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
11-13-2006, 10:04 PM
#76
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
Justin, call that guy who is on the radio and diagnoses cars, Jeff
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
Brooks is his name and I think its the radiostar something network.
That man is GOD for car repair... and let me know my 93 cherokee has
the same shimmy at 50 mph when turning right
Paintstone
Justin M wrote:
> I'm starting to look for a nice steep cliff to push the thing over...
> :)
>
>
> > Gents, in the original post to this thread and in others he has stated
> > he borrowed another set of tires and had the same trouble.
11-13-2006, 10:45 PM
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
OHH :-( ......... It's lifted ?? Lifting misaligns all the drive shafts
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
11-13-2006, 10:45 PM
#78
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
OHH :-( ......... It's lifted ?? Lifting misaligns all the drive shafts
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
11-13-2006, 10:45 PM
#79
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
OHH :-( ......... It's lifted ?? Lifting misaligns all the drive shafts
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
!!
JVM
"Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> have been...
>
> Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
>
> I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
>
> After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
>
>
>
> nrs wrote:
>> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
>>
>>
>> Justin M wrote:
>> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
>> >
>> > Wow. Uh...
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
>> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
>> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
>> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
>> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
>> > - Replaced trackbar
>> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
>> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
>> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
>> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
>> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
>> >
>> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin M wrote:
>> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
>> > >
>> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
>> > > > that
>> > > > makes a difference.
>
11-14-2006, 09:29 AM
#80
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Re: Front end vibration... still. :(
But lifting sure don't bend axles!
You sound like one of those dumber than posts dealer techs.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
"Johnny V. Mullins" wrote:
>
> OHH :-( ......... It's lifted ?? Lifting misaligns all the drive shafts
> !!
>
> JVM
>
> "Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> > the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> > look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> > no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> > have been...
> >
> > Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
> >
> > I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
> >
> > After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> > mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> > service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
> >
> >
> >
> > nrs wrote:
> >> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
> >>
> >>
> >> Justin M wrote:
> >> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
> >> >
> >> > Wow. Uh...
> >> >
> >> > So...
> >> >
> >> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
> >> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
> >> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
> >> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
> >> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
> >> > - Replaced trackbar
> >> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
> >> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
> >> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
> >> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
> >> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
> >> >
> >> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Justin M wrote:
> >> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
> >> > >
> >> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > makes a difference.
> >
You sound like one of those dumber than posts dealer techs.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
"Johnny V. Mullins" wrote:
>
> OHH :-( ......... It's lifted ?? Lifting misaligns all the drive shafts
> !!
>
> JVM
>
> "Justin M" <xtexatl@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163133204.536848.321340@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > I'm starting to think that's the only thing it could be. I've pulled
> > the front axles, but not the rear (the Dana 44 is new to me). They
> > look straight to me, and I've put a straight edge on them and there's
> > no distortion. There are no visible weld spots where a weight would
> > have been...
> >
> > Tonight I replaced the rear brake drums. Same thing.
> >
> > I'll pull the rear axles tomorrow to see if they're okay.
> >
> > After that, I'm out of options, and I've got to find a Jeep friendly
> > mechanic in North Atlanta who will look at a lifted Jeep. The dealer's
> > service department won't even talk to me because of the lift.
> >
> >
> >
> > nrs wrote:
> >> Just another idea. Bent axle component?
> >>
> >>
> >> Justin M wrote:
> >> > Not the rear driveshaft, either.
> >> >
> >> > Wow. Uh...
> >> >
> >> > So...
> >> >
> >> > - Had three different places rebalance the wheels/tires
> >> > - Replaced passenger side wheel bearings
> >> > - Replaced passenger side u-joint
> >> > - Replaced passenger side ball-joints
> >> > - Replaced both front brake rotors
> >> > - Replaced trackbar
> >> > - Checked and double checked all bolts on the front end and rear
> >> > - Checked and double checked tie-rod
> >> > - Pulled and checked steering stabilizer, it's still solid
> >> > - Disconnected front driveshaft
> >> > - Disconnected rear driveshaft -- so it's not a driveshaft or u-joint
> >> >
> >> > I'm completely out of ideas now... :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Justin M wrote:
> >> > > nope. no difference on the front drive shaft.
> >> > >
> >> > > rear drive shaft is next. sheesh.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm going to try disconnecting the front drive shaft and see if
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > makes a difference.
> >
