Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
02-01-2005, 10:47 AM
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Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
glued on.
And my mileage went right back to 17.
So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
matt
I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
glued on.
And my mileage went right back to 17.
So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
matt
02-01-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
it was the foam itself.
matt wrote:
> About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
> No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
> I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
>
> The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
>
> My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
>
> the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> glued on.
>
> And my mileage went right back to 17.
>
> So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
>
> matt
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 11:07 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
LOL!
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 11:07 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
LOL!
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 11:07 AM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
LOL!
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
Aha!
Something has ben bugging me about the new Jeep's crappy mileage....
Some folks say they can get 17 to 20+ mpg which is getting a bit close
to what the old 258 carb engine gives me and what my Cherokee 4.0 gives,
23+ mpg and others say they only get 13 - 14 mpg....
Could it just be the air filters? I don't use foam covered filters.
I think that would sure be worth looking into!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> The OE air filter also has that same type of foam glued to it. I doubt
> it was the foam itself.
>
> matt wrote:
> > About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
> > I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
> > is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
> >
> > No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
> >
> > I bought a fram, which I usually wouldn't do, but...
> >
> > The air filter had a 3/8" block of black foam glued on the bottom of
> > it. I've replaced the filter before, and never seen this.
> >
> > My mileage instantly went from about 17mpg down to 14.5mpg. this went
> > on for 3 tanks of gas. My tire press. was ok.
> >
> > the only thing I could think of was that strange piece of foam loosely
> > glued on. So I took that piece off. To say the least, it was barely
> > glued on.
> >
> > And my mileage went right back to 17.
> >
> > So when did they start gluing blocks of foam to their air filters?
> > And why, especially if it's going to kill your mileage. It's the same
> > dimensions, pleating and all, as a stock filter.
> >
> > matt
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
02-01-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
On 1 Feb 2005 07:47:59 -0800, "matt" <emailmatt9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer
02-01-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
On 1 Feb 2005 07:47:59 -0800, "matt" <emailmatt9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer
02-01-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: Fram air filter for TJ-poor mpg
On 1 Feb 2005 07:47:59 -0800, "matt" <emailmatt9@yahoo.com> wrote:
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer
>About 2 weeks ago, I put new plugs and a new air filter in my 03 sport.
>I used the stock champion plugs. It has about 45k on it. Oh yeah, it
>is a 5-speed, 6cyl, all stock, etc.
>
>No problem with the plugs. It was the air filter.
>
What is the best air filter for the 4.0 Wrangler?
Joe Carroll
2K-TJ
There are some simple truths...And the dogs know what they are."
Joseph Duemer